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Old 08-20-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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It's not the clear cut casus belli that a purist would want, but since when has warfare been a purist exercise?
That probably sounds better in the original German.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Wow. I opened this thread expecting to see some 7 or 8 year old thread that had been revived, but to my surprise, it's new.

Dude, google is your friend. This stuff has been hashed out over and over and over again, and it ended LONG ago. You're not just beating a dead horse - you're pounding a skeleton. Get over it. Sheesh.

And what are all you guys feeding this troll for? Thirty two pages? Seriously??

Damn. Y'all need to get a life, or something. This is OLD.
Yea, no doubt, it ended like 4 years ago!

It's time to forget that 4500 Americans died for a lie, that tens of thousands are maimed for life, and that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead, all for a lie. Lets also forget the "official" price tag of 737 billion, which will climb for decades as medical care for thousands will continue.

We all know how long attention spans are among Americans, and you can bet the neocons did too.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Yea, no doubt, it ended like 4 years ago!

It's time to forget that 4500 Americans died for a lie, that tens of thousands are maimed for life, and that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead, all for a lie. Lets also forget the "official" price tag of 737 billion, which will climb for decades as medical care for thousands will continue.

We all know how long attention spans are among Americans, and you can bet the neocons did too.
Once again, it was not a "lie."

RealClearPolitics - Commentary - The (Very) Big Lie by Michael Barone
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Once again, it was not a "lie."
Call it "false claims" if you prefer.

Same as a lie.

Dubya fibbed us into a stupidly misconceived and horribly mismanaged quagmire that will end up going into the loss column eventually.

Spin it however you'd prefer, that's the bottom line and that will be his legacy.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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About 10 years ago, I didn't have much internet access to see arguments in the online political community. For those who did, how did conservatives defend GW after no WMDs were found in Iraq?
Why would he need a defense? Intelligence said weapons were there that didn't end up being there. That's not Bush's fault. And Democrats voted for the war too.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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Call it "false claims" if you prefer.

Same as a lie.

Dubya fibbed us into a stupidly misconceived and horribly mismanaged quagmire that will end up going into the loss column eventually.

Spin it however you'd prefer, that's the bottom line and that will be his legacy.
How many times does it take to get through to some folks?

See post #301

You probably voted for Obama/Biden and will probably vote for Hillary in 2016....right?

Well, Biden and Hillary both made impassioned speeches in favor of the Iraq war. They lied then too by your own definition.



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Old 08-20-2013, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Call it "false claims" if you prefer.

Same as a lie.

Dubya fibbed us into a stupidly misconceived and horribly mismanaged quagmire that will end up going into the loss column eventually.

Spin it however you'd prefer, that's the bottom line and that will be his legacy.
More like inaccurate claims.

And many Democrats were making the exact same claims about WMD as Bush was. Were they all "lying?"

No spin, just facts. Bush did not "fib" anymore than Clinton did when he sign a bill in 1998 making regime change in Iraq official U.S. policy.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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How many times does it take to get through to some folks?

See post #301

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Isn't it amazing the length some will go to and try to deny facts? Or "spin" as they like to say.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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That might have some traction if it wasn't so recent in history that we personally experienced it. At the time, I knew it was a lie and so did many others. It was clear that the President was gearing up for war and using classic propaganda techniques to do it.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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Do you honestly believe Saddam had ANYTHING to do with 9/11?
Who claimed he did?
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