Backlashes against smokers (Al Gore, legal, soldier, highway)
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The issue about smoking is that second hand smoke impacts everyone AROUND you as well. I can make personal choices about not having risky sex, or watching my diet, but if there aren't regs about smoking in public places, it's pretty hard to stay away from second hand smoke. One smoker sitting near me in a restaurant impacts my health. No one is saying that smokers can't smoke--they just can't do it where it hurts other people. Why is a smokers rights more important than mine? It's an inconvenience to have to step outside to smoke at a restaurant, but I can't step outside to eat so I won't be exposed to second hand smoke.
And that's just another reason why we need to get the government totally out of health care.
Yes, but it will never happen so long as people in large majority fail to understand the relationship between disease and the healthcare establishment.
We've been brainwashed and trained to accept whatever the man in the white coat tells us as the indisputable truth .... the reality is, so has the man in the white coat ... he ALSO believes that what he tells you is the indisputable truth. But he is no more immune to believing lies than you are. He's actually undergone much more "training" than you have. And the nature of this "training" is what people must recognize.
Everyone understands that we train dogs to sit and stay and roll over. We train soldiers to kill and sacrifice their lives. We train animals to do all sorts of tasks that offer no benefit to them, yet they do it, because we've trained them to do it. This works in the same way with doctors and nurses and patients. They are trained to be the "authority" on health matters, and we are trained to trust them. But neither the patient or the doctor questions the doctor's "training" ... yet he's only doing what others trained him to do. Do we know these others who trained him? Do we blindly trust these others have properly and accurately trained the doctor we blindly trust?
The bottom line is, doctors are just people like everyone else ... there is no magical quality that they possess that no one else possesses. They are neither immune to being deceived or told inaccurate or false "facts", nor are they immune to considering their own self interests, going along to get along, because it is in their best interests to obey the rules.
Hilarious. An addiction is just about the most basic definition of control. An addiction controls you, not the government. And I'm a smoker.
You missed the point. The government is exploiting the addiction under the guise of caring. Every pack you and I buy is like paying a fine for our consumption. They've systematically started fining anyone that; drives, heats their homes, uses electricity, uses a phone, smokes, drinks...etc.
EXP: Here in Cali we are taxed nearly $1.2T each year... yet the politicians are still bankrupting us.
You missed the point. The government is exploiting the addiction under the guise of caring. Every pack you and I buy is like paying a fine for our consumption. They've systematically started fining anyone that; drives, heats their homes, uses electricity, uses a phone, smokes, drinks...etc.
EXP: Here in Cali we are taxed nearly $1.2T each year... yet the politicians are still bankrupting us.
Beat me to it.
And northnut, aren't we indeed arguing witht he prohibitionists on the marijuana thread about their incessant need to control others when they don't agree with their choices?
The issue about smoking is that second hand smoke impacts everyone AROUND you as well. I can make personal choices about not having risky sex, or watching my diet, but if there aren't regs about smoking in public places, it's pretty hard to stay away from second hand smoke. One smoker sitting near me in a restaurant impacts my health. No one is saying that smokers can't smoke--they just can't do it where it hurts other people. Why is a smokers rights more important than mine? It's an inconvenience to have to step outside to smoke at a restaurant, but I can't step outside to eat so I won't be exposed to second hand smoke.
No matter what the issue at hand is ... the tactic is always the same ... pit one against the other .. and it is so easy to do.
The entire premise of the danger of second hand smoke is yet another example that if you tell someone something often enough, they'll believe it is true, even if it makes absolutely no sense at all. Some will argue that 2nd hand smoke is even MORE dangerous than first hand smoke .... and people believe that nonsense too. This is not unlike the wacky tactic used by the vaccine proponents who will insist that everyone needs to take their vaccines in order not to endanger others. But if the vaccine works, then how can an unvaccinated person be any threat to the vaccinated person? The vaccinated person is supposed to be protected by the vaccine, right? But ... but ... but ....
This is the same basic theme and tactic .... they want the idiots who will take anything they are told to take, to put pressure on, and demand that the others who refuse to take the poison are forced to take it to safeguard everyone else ... just like they want the non smokers to pressure the smokers, claiming harm from 2nd hand smoke. It's a total fraud ... and it's painfully obvious.
But nothing illustrates the idiocy of leftist authoritarian mentalities like the vaccine debate, and how twisted the logic in insisting that vaccines absolutely protect you from the disease, only to turn right around and claim that the unvaccinated people are a threat to the vaccinated ones. Reconciling that contradiction is impossible ..... and the same bloody brain dead lack of logic permeates the entire premise of the dangers of 2nd hand smoke. It's just a lame excuse for the authoritarian to claim the right to tell others what they can and cannot do.
You missed the point. The government is exploiting the addiction under the guise of caring. Every pack you and I buy is like paying a fine for our consumption. They've systematically started fining anyone that; drives, heats their homes, uses electricity, uses a phone, smokes, drinks...etc.
EXP: Here in Cali we are taxed nearly $1.2T each year... yet the politicians are still bankrupting us.
What's stopping you from just.....not paying that tax in the form of not buying cigarettes? It's your choice to smoke, it's your choice to continue an unhealthy habit. You could easily choose not to have the government control you with taxes yet you choose to let it continue. And then you complain about it. Who's fault exactly is it that you continue to smoke & fork over money? It's your fault, nobody else's. Take responsibility for it instead of blaming everyone else for your choices.
And northnut, aren't we indeed arguing witht he prohibitionists on the marijuana thread about their incessant need to control others when they don't agree with their choices?
Huh? How is this even the same thing? I'm not calling for cigs to be illegal.
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