Obama: "Money Grows on Trees!" (parade, attorneys, health care)
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Actually, the President does know how economics works.
He also knows how morality works.
Actually, he thinks the way morality works is:
Don't work, and get 'free' healthcare.
Don't work, and get 'free' food stamps.
Downtown Portland is full of "disaffected youth" who are allergic to work, are homeless, and clog up the sidewalks with their dogs. (Since whenTF can homeless people afford to have dogs?) And under Obamacare they get 'free' healthcare.
If Obama and HUD had their way, the whole country would look and be a lot like downtown Portland.
President Obama's Saturday radio address featured a reprise of the amazing claim that the Affordable Care Act provides FREE PREVENTIVE CARE!
I've got the premium increases to prove this is not so. The providers are not donating to FREE PREVENTIVE CARE, the insurance companies are not donating to FREE PREVENTIVE CARE, and the government does not have any money of its own to donate to FREE PREVENTIVE CARE. Just as there is no free lunch, there is no FREE PREVENTIVE CARE.
This goes a long way to explaining the near-total failure of Obamanomics: the poor fellow has not the faintest idea of how economics works. He earned this ignorance fair and square, by virtue of never having owned a business, or managed a business, or working in a business--or even having a paper route.
Exactly. Obama is a chain smoker for one. He doesn't understand that what is called "health care" is really "illness care", it's illness care that people like cigarette smokers need. Healthy people don't need doctors and nurses and hospitals.
Preventive care is something an individual does for himself. Preventative health care means you stop smoking, stop cramming too much food in your mouth, get off your rear end and get some exercise. You choose to give up drugs and over-indulging in alcohol.
You don't prevent anything by running to the doctor for the doctor to tell you what you should already know.
Anyone can afford "wellness" visits if they want to have a doctor tell them they're feeling good. It's the serious stuff like cancer, organ failure that should be addressed.
It's the serious stuff like cancer, organ failure that should be addressed.
Now that we're down to the cellular level.......how does one differentiate what the cancer or organ failure was/is?
Do we analyze the cancer and have some bureaucrat decide your care and it's 'allowed' treatment based on case studies vs dollar costs? What caused that cancer? Did the government contribute via some process in the past? Patient comes down with lung cancer and is a non smoker, but studies show lung cancer caused by smoking - must be the culprit. Was it secondary? Was it from working in a barbeque shop or a welding facility? How will they rate the treatment for something that has thousands of variables? We know they will. Will the bureaucrat make the final decision or a physician? We know how well those decisions work in other countries.
And organ failure. What causes organ failure? There must be thousands maybe millions of causes for organ failure for the many different organs in the body.
Perhaps the autopsy must be the best final solution to what caused the cancer or organ failure. Then the government bureaucrat can now make a decision on the course of treatment and how much the patient pays in order to keep costs down for the government.
Trouble is......the patient will likely be dead before the bureaucracy finishes it treatment vs cost analysis.
But the bureaucrat got paid. That's the neat part. Middle class saved. Tit for Tat. Redistribution of wealth. I get it now.
However, I am sick and tired of paying for the healthcare of deadbeats.
What is interesting is how people who say this never actually propose anything that will take action against deadbeats. They all seem to insist on taking action against all poor people, because most (though not all) deadbeats are poor. It's like advocating for castrating all men because most rapists are men. Such inane mis-directions show, in your words, "a weakness of the mind."
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Originally Posted by freemkt
Actually, he thinks the way morality works is:<snip>
Nothing he's ever said or did would indicate the nonsense you posted, but nice try attempting to hide the moral deficiency of the policy directions that you are trying to support by making up nonsense and trying to attribute it to the President.
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BUU - I've worked in healthcare for over 30 yrs. and unfortunately most deadbeats aren't poor. They have the latest electronics, shop at classier stores than I, and vacation much more than my husband and I as a working couple can afford too.
The ACA has already caused increased insure rate hikes, higher deductibles, and higher copayments for the middle class, who will eventually no longer be middle class. Due to the high deductibles I now have to pay - I forgo suggested tests because we just can't afford it - I have other bills and taxes to pay and many others are in our shoes. This system will only increase health care costs as many working middle class families will not go to the doctors until they have too - increasing health care costs for treatments which now have progressed.
If a person can't afford to purchase health insurance - how is he going to pay the fine. The supposed subsidies so they can purchase insurance are a joke - they still won't be able to afford quality health care.
If O would permanently relieve the American leeches of their food, money and housing to pay for parasites in say.... Africa.....now that would be justice and morality.
After all, you American leeches have so much more than your brother leeches in the Dark Continent.
The ACA has already caused increased insure rate hikes, higher deductibles, and higher copayments for the middle class, who will eventually no longer be middle class.
There will be a premium death spiral for the middle class. More and more will opt to pay the fine - which goes to the federal government to steal - and will forgo paying premiums - which go to insurance companies. As that happens, premiums will have to rise rapidly to pay the claims of the leeches. Fewer and fewer of the middle class will be able to afford the premiums each year. Soon the insurers will be broke.
Heaven forbid that basic human decency interfere with consumers' desire to spend money on comfort and luxury.
No it doesn't. Perhaps you're saying that just because don't like the impact of the nation having a health concern for its citizens on your own personal discretionary spending.
... care about something other than yourself and your friends and family?
Comfort and luxury? You realize that more and more workers are having their hours cut because of this great Obama care? My premiums have gone up 160%-I can't go to the doctor because my co-pay is ridiculous!
Get a grip-a lot of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that disagree with this law..premiums will have to rise rapidly to pay the claims of the "citizens". Fewer and fewer of the middle class will be able to afford the premiums each year. Soon the insurers will be broke. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and actually research.
BUU - I've worked in healthcare for over 30 yrs. and unfortunately most deadbeats aren't poor.
What is interesting is how people who say this never actually propose anything that will take action against deadbeats. They all seem to insist on taking action against all poor people, because most (though not all) deadbeats are poor. It's like advocating for castrating all men because most rapists are men.
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Originally Posted by xray731
They have the latest electronics, shop at classier stores than I, and vacation much more than my husband and I as a working couple can afford too.
And there are people who evade taxes, take money under the table, and employ myriad other means to enrich themselves wherever they feel they can get away with it. Why all the resistance to addressing the abuse instead of punishing poor people because a contingent of unrelated, selfish people happen to look poor on paper?
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Originally Posted by xray731
The ACA has already caused increased insure rate hikes, higher deductibles, and higher copayments for the middle class, who will eventually no longer be middle class.
And the ACA has already caused decreased insurance rates, lower deductibles, and lower copayments for the middle class. It just depends. Some places see increases; some place see decreases; but even that's just noise, because the one thing you cannot just wash away, xray, is that there are people who are going to be able to afford healthcare next year who couldn't this past year, people who's health and possibly longevity has suffered because healthcare was previously unaffordable. Stop ignoring the good ACA is doing, just because you're aggrieved as how you're not personally benefiting.
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Originally Posted by xray731
Due to the high deductibles I now have to pay - I forgo suggested tests because we just can't afford it
Let's not get into a spitting contest about such unproven claims. It's pointless talking about your own personal situation, because you could then make whatever claim you want without presenting objective evidence to prove both that your claim is true, and that it is representative of the general case. And regardless, if you are unhappy with the decisions you've made, that's on you.
The point of ACA is that there won't be anyone paying more for healthcare than a reasonable computation of affordability says they can afford.
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Originally Posted by xray731
This system will only increase health care costs as many working middle class families will not go to the doctors until they have too - increasing health care costs for treatments which now have progressed.
You're peddling the same nonsense that RWNJs in Congress and running red states are peddling. What ACA will do is provide for Guaranteed Issue; provide for coverage without lifetime caps; provide for coverage for preexisting conditions; provide for essential benefits; provide for affordability for those earning 100% FPL - 400% FPL; and provide incentive for reasonable states to expand Medicaid to cover those earning less than 100% FPL. That's what ACA will do.
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Originally Posted by dnvrsoul
Comfort and luxury?
Yes. Heaven forbid that basic human decency interfere with consumers' desire to spend money on comfort and luxury. I can understand not wanting to admit that that's the dichotomy, if doing so would undercut the perspective you're trying to advocate for.
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Originally Posted by dnvrsoul
Get a grip-a lot of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that disagree with this law.
And a lot of Americans agree with this law, and more importantly, the vast majority of American want the provisions of this law even if they aren't happy about how they're paid for.
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Originally Posted by dnvrsoul
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and actually research.
I could say the same back to you, but doing so would be childish.
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