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Old 08-19-2013, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Unintentional. The civilian costs of war are real an unavoidable, which is why I wholeheartedly opposed the Iraq war and would oppose a military invention into Syria. But there is a universe of a difference between intentionally murdering civilians for the purpose of murdering civilians (terrorism), and the unintentional deaths of civilians during the targeting of murderers who purposely integrate themselves into civilian populations as a defense mechanism.

Furthermore the NSA doesn't operate drones, so that didn't support your claim that the NSA are the "real terrorists".
I don't have the patience to debate war propaganda today. War is a racket that profits the few at the expense of the many. The "War on Terror" is the war to end all wars, precisely because it is arbitrary, has no identifiable enemy and no success timeline or end date.

It's proven that meddling in the affairs of other nations and bombing children and innocent people creates more terrorists.
It's simple common sense that a propagandist may not be able to see.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Good for him! Leak information slowly every time they mess with him and especially his loved ones.

Glenn Greenwald on partner's detention: You'll 'regret' it - CNN.com
America and England two facist countries in cahoots. They had no right to hold him, they're trying to intimidate his partner. Churchill must be rolling in his grave.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I'm sure Greenwald has a kill switch just to make sure he doesn't get "suicided". It is in the NSA's best interest to make sure Greenwald and his family are safe and sound.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Why do you think crippling the NSA is a good thing? That seems to suggest the potential for a lot of loss of life. Danger isn't something that The Government made up to control you, despite what many young people like to believe. For one tiny example, Germany has recently stepped up security in response to the NSA's information regarding Al Quaed'as specific targeting of high-speed rail systems in Europe: Al Qaeda planning attacks on high-speed trains in Europe: newspaper | Reuters


No doubt that there are tough questions when it comes to the compromise between privacy and security, but are we sure that a handful of 20-somethings should be the one's choosing these answers for the rest of us?
I'm glad all that spying by the NSA stopped the Boston Marathon bombings and the Benghazi attack. Oh wait....never mind.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Someone is looking to disappear, messing with the NSA has that effect, oh well one cannot stop stupid people from doing stupid things, the gene poll cleanses itself.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I'm glad all that spying by the NSA stopped the Boston Marathon bombings and the Benghazi attack. Oh wait....never mind.
But it's stopped so many classified terrorist activities!!!11!!
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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I don't have the patience to debate war propaganda today. War is a racket that profits the few at the expense of the many. The "War on Terror" is the war to end all wars, precisely because it is arbitrary, has no identifiable enemy and no success timeline or end date.

It's proven that meddling in the affairs of other nations and bombing children and innocent people creates more terrorists.
It's simple common sense that a propagandist may not be able to see.
Exactly! The government can use the "war on terror" excuse to erode our rights and continue to fund the military industrial complex.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Someone is looking to disappear, messing with the NSA has that effect, oh well one cannot stop stupid people from doing stupid things, the gene poll cleanses itself.
It's in the NSA's best interest for Greenwald to not be harmed. Nothing the NSA can possibly do about any sort of passive kill switch Greenwald or others might have. Kill switches are awesome like that: they outlive you and can wreak havoc on your enemy long after you die.

The NSA also has to be extremely selective on whom it can "disappear" for public relations reasons also. Recruitment for new college grads and geniuses is already pretty down.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Good for him! Leak information slowly every time they mess with him and especially his loved ones.

Glenn Greenwald on partner's detention: You'll 'regret' it - CNN.com
Greenwald is complicit in a crime. I think he needs to stay clear of US authorities.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Greenwald is complicit in a crime. I think he needs to stay clear of US authorities.
What crime is that? No crime is committed by forwarding information you received.
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