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Old 10-18-2013, 12:18 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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They can say "I want to get adopted."
No body of law or policy in any nation is based on conformity to the requests of a toddler. The premise is that you need to be of certain age in order to be able to exercise sufficient judgment to properly assume responsibility for your decisions.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I suspect that we are about to see a resumption of the leftist open-borders crowd whining that "The government is breaking up families" when illegal aliens who produced kids here, get caught and deported.

In fact, it's not the government breaking up the family.

It's the illegal alien(s) themselves doing it, as surely as if they'd produced kids and then robbed a bank or embezzled a few $million. The penalties for doing that are clear and well-known, and they knew what they were getting into long before they decided to have kids.

Now they have a choice to make: Do their take their kids with them as they get shipped back to their home country? Or do they find some way to leave the kids here, with (legal) family or friends in the U.S.?

And if they don't like those alternatives... why did they try so hard to eliminate any other possible choices they could have had?

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Old 10-18-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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The kids should be deported with the parents. If the parents know someone in the US willing to raise their kids they would naturally send them there. How is this a difficult question?
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:40 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The kids should be deported with the parents. If the parents know someone in the US willing to raise their kids they would naturally send them there.
Make up your mind.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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Make up your mind.
What does my mind have to do with it? The parent's can make up their own minds what to legally do with their kids when they get deported. The laws are in place so I don't understand the issue.
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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What does my mind have to do with it?
You stated that the kids should be deported, then stated they shouldn't.

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The parent's can make up their own minds what to legally do with their kids when they get deported. The laws are in place so I don't understand the issue.
The issue is the leftist open-borders crowd whining that "The government is breaking up families" when illegal aliens who produced kids here, get caught and deported.

In fact, it's not the government breaking up the family.

It's the illegal alien(s) themselves doing it, as surely as if they'd produced kids and then robbed a bank or embezzled a few $million. The penalties for doing that are clear and well-known, and they knew what they were getting into long before they decided to have kids.

Now they have a choice to make: Do their take their kids with them as they get shipped back to their home country? Or do they find some way to leave the kids here, with (legal) family or friends in the U.S.?

And if they don't like those alternatives... why did they try so hard to eliminate any other possible choices they could have had?

In other words, the issue is the leftists trying (once again) to find ways to violate U.S. laws which, as you pointed out, are already in place.
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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You stated that the kids should be deported, then stated they shouldn't.


The issue is the leftist open-borders crowd whining that "The government is breaking up families" when illegal aliens who produced kids here, get caught and deported.

In fact, it's not the government breaking up the family.

It's the illegal alien(s) themselves doing it, as surely as if they'd produced kids and then robbed a bank or embezzled a few $million. The penalties for doing that are clear and well-known, and they knew what they were getting into long before they decided to have kids.

Now they have a choice to make: Do their take their kids with them as they get shipped back to their home country? Or do they find some way to leave the kids here, with (legal) family or friends in the U.S.?

And if they don't like those alternatives... why did they try so hard to eliminate any other possible choices they could have had?

In other words, the issue is the leftists trying (once again) to find ways to violate U.S. laws which, as you pointed out, are already in place.
Well we agree. I stated that they should be deported and that the parents should decide if they want to send them to relatives, to point out that it is the parent's responsibility, not ice's.
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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The children are free to go with their parents.

They are not deported.

No one gets split up.

Enough of this stupid whine.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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[quote=Little-Acorn;31030530]It's a pretty common scenario today. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deporation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?[/quote]

Your kidding right ? If they had planned anything they would have entered our country the legal way, just like many other legal immigrants have. They are here illegally, don't people get that ?

Il-le-gal :
contrary to or forbidden by law, esp. criminal law

Send them home, along with their children. It's simple. If you are going to be a parent, you've got to think like an adult and be responsible. It seems like many people just don't get that.. It isn't hard
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:19 PM
 
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It's a pretty common scenario today. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?

An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.

Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.

What happens to the kids?

The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?

I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?

This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.

It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deporation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)

So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.

The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?

Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?

Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?

The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?[/quote]

Your kidding right ? If they had planned anything they would have entered our country the legal way, just like many other legal immigrants have. They are here illegally, don't people get that ?

Il-le-gal :
contrary to or forbidden by law, esp. criminal law

Send them home, along with their children. It's simple. If you are going to be a parent, you've got to think like an adult and be responsible. It seems like many people just don't get that.. It isn't hard

Minor U.S.born children belong with their parents. If they are deported if they love their kids they will take them back to their homeland with them. Their U.S. born kids can return when they become adults if they so choose. Never should these kids be used as pawns for the parents to remain in our country.
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