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Old 08-22-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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You can indeed have 30 years of policy mistakes that can lead to a future economic collapse, and i didnt even say I believed it, i said based on the way people talk on this site.

It seems you are the one who had no idea what he was talking about.
The point being that economies cycle, and the fact that we bottomed out in 2008, means that we should be approaching the top part of a cycle now and ready to decline.

Blaming 30 years of policy mistakes, doesnt explain why we arent reaching the top of a cycle.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Anyone that thinks the recession was caused by Obama is an idiot.

Neither Bush or Obama are to blame for the economic crash.

Indeed. So true and yet shills try and deflect with the lame bush or obama blame.

imo the general public is beyond this bs now. Enjoy your posts on this too.


again some should read www.zerohedge.com

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Its hilarious reading some NIMBY posts here who didnt comprehend the 2008 financial and foreclosure crisis until a neighbor is foreclosed on. Such is American myopia.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Indeed. So true and yet shills try and deflect with the lame bush or obama blame.

imo the general public is beyond this bs now. Enjoy your posts on this too.


again some should read www.zerohedge.com

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Its hilarious reading some NIMBY posts here who didnt comprehend the 2008 financial and foreclosure crisis until a neighbor is foreclosed on. Such is American myopia.
Deregulation of those laws regulating banks passed in the 1930s was the main culprit.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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With all the hhopla about a rising real estate market, do you really think that America has 'turned the corner'? You be right - except the 'turn' is straight down.

Barack Obama has been running around the country taking credit for an "economic recovery", but the truth is that things have not gotten better under Obama.

Home ownership rate the lowest that it has been in 18 years, the number of Americans on food stamps increased by nearly 50 percent, the national debt gotten more than 6 trillion dollars larger.

The following are 33 shocking facts which show how badly the U.S. economy has tanked since Obama became president...

#1 When Barack Obama entered the White House, 60.6 percent of working age Americans had a job. Today, only 58.7 percent of working age Americans have a job.

#2 Since Obama has been president, seven out of every eight jobs that have been "created" in the U.S. economy have been part-time jobs.

#3 The number of full-time workers in the United States is still nearly 6 million below the old record that was set back in 2007.

#4 It is hard to believe, but an astounding 53 percent of all American workers now make less than $30,000 a year.

#5 40 percent of all workers in the United States actually make less than what a full-time minimum wage worker made back in 1968.

#6 When the Obama era began, the average duration of unemployment in this country was 19.8 weeks. Today, it is 36.6 weeks.

#7 During the first four years of Obama, the number of Americans "not in the labor force" soared by an astounding 8,332,000. That far exceeds any previous four year total.

#8 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.

#9 When Obama was elected, the homeownership rate in the United States was 67.5 percent. Today, it is 65.0 percent. That is the lowest that it has been in 18 years.

#10 When Obama entered the White House, the mortgage delinquency rate was 7.85 percent. Today, it is 9.72 percent.

#11 In 2008, the U.S. trade deficit with China was 268 billion dollars. Last year, it was 315 billion dollars.

#12 When Obama first became president, 12.5 million Americans had manufacturing jobs. Today, only 11.9 million Americans have manufacturing jobs.

#13 Median household income in America has fallen for four consecutive years. Overall, it has declined by over $4000 during that time span.

#14 The poverty rate has shot up to 16.1 percent. That is actually higher than when the War on Poverty began in 1965.

#15 During Obama's first term, the number of Americans on food stamps increased by an average of about 11,000 per day.

#16 When Barack Obama entered the White House, there were about 32 million Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million Americans on food stamps.

#17 At this point, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. This is the first time that has ever happened in our history. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year.

#18 When Barack Obama took office, the average price of a gallon of regular gasoline was $1.85. Today, it is $3.53.

#19 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.

#20 Health insurance costs have risen by 29 percent since Barack Obama became president, and Obamacare is going to make things far worse.

#21 The United States has fallen in the global economic competitiveness rankings compiled by the World Economic Forum for four years in a row.

#22 According to economist Tim Kane, the following is how the number of startup jobs per 1000 Americans breaks down by presidential administration...

Bush Sr.: 11.3

Clinton: 11.2

Bush Jr.: 10.8

Obama: 7.8

#23 In 2008, that total amount of student loan debt in this country was 440 billion dollars. At this point, it has shot up to about a trillion dollars.

#24 According to one recent survey, 76 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

#25 During Obama's first term, the number of Americans collecting federal disability insurance rose by more than 18 percent.

#26 The total amount of money that the federal government gives directly to the American people has grown by 32 percent since Barack Obama became president.

#27 According to the Survey of Income and Program Participation conducted by the U.S. Census, well over 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government.

#28 As I wrote about the other day, American households are now receiving more money directly from the federal government than they are paying to the government in taxes.

#29 Under Barack Obama, the velocity of money (a very important indicator of economic health) has plunged to a post-World War II low.

#30 At the end of 2008, the Federal Reserve held $475.9 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds. Today, Fed holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds have skyrocketed past the 2 trillion dollar mark.

#31 When Barack Obama was first elected, the U.S. debt to GDP ratio was under 70 percent. Today, it is up to 101 percent.

#32 During Obama's first term, the federal government accumulated more new debt than it did under the first 42 U.S presidents combined.

#33 When you break it down, the amount of new debt accumulated by the U.S. government during Obama's first term comes to approximately $50,521 for every single household in the United States. Are you able to pay your share?

33 Shocking Facts Which Show How Badly The Economy Has Tanked Since Obama Became President - BlackListedNews.com
If the economy was robust and growing at the time Obama entered office, you would have a point. The reality of the situation was that we were just at the beginning of the worst recession since the great depression and on top of that major economies around the world were facing a global financial crisis that resulted in a slowdown of the global economy. You just look silly denying reality and substituting your own.
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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Fundamental disagreement ?

in Many of these cases, the Republican Party failed to put forth their own plans that would help this nation or adequately detail why they disagreed with the Democratic party's plan.

That is not a fundamental disagreement, that is pure obstructionism.
Listen you thickheads on here, both parties are owned by the same people, working towards the same goals in seemingly disparate ways. Wake up.
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Old 08-23-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Agree Glass Steagall Act was important. But newbies here are pushing the fake paradigm bush/obama to avoid economic FACTS.

Methinks they need some writing lessons Most on this forum are at a higer level (compliments to many long termers here

Newbies take note: this isnt glenn becks site.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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If the economy was robust and growing at the time Obama entered office, you would have a point. The reality of the situation was that we were just at the beginning of the worst recession since the great depression and on top of that major economies around the world were facing a global financial crisis that resulted in a slowdown of the global economy. You just look silly denying reality and substituting your own.
I agree that GW was the worst thing to happen to America, but go-along-to-get-along Obama hasn't done anything to right the ship. The only politicians that would have been helpful in that regard would have been either Gravel, Kucinich or Paul. As it is, we are a lot worse off now than when Obama took office. The real estate 'boom' that never was, is already fading. There still aren't jobs that are worth talking about, and there is no more trillions in debt that we can pile on. The next few years will be brutal.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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I agree that GW was the worst thing to happen to America, but go-along-to-get-along Obama hasn't done anything to right the ship. The only politicians that would have been helpful in that regard would have been either Gravel, Kucinich or Paul. As it is, we are a lot worse off now than when Obama took office. The real estate 'boom' that never was, is already fading. There still aren't jobs that are worth talking about, and there is no more trillions in debt that we can pile on. The next few years will be brutal.
The economy for the next few years will be more meh, not brutal. Gravel and Paul would have pushed us into another Great Depression. Kucinich probably could have did a good job.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:42 PM
 
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Now, now. Don't be too harsh with our President. It's his first job and he's still in training.

last I looked their is no manual on how to repair a broken economy.. we are fooked!!! everybody claims they have the right manual to fix broken economies..
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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The economy for the next few years will be more meh, not brutal. Gravel and Paul would have pushed us into another Great Depression. Kucinich probably could have did a good job.
False, the best to handle would be Gravel, Paul, Kucinich in that order, and will you people stop with the 'meh' crap? It's like so dumbass.
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