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Old 08-23-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/op...fett.html?_r=0

Bottom line, no one had a plan.

I need to buy a vowel. I am not tracking your second point.
So you went with the guy that the billionaire endorsed so he could become wealthier, and then acted surprised that the wealth gap increased..

yeah, that made so much sense.. NOT
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Competition doesn't have anything to do withprocess redesign or higher productivity levels. When a company redesigns their acct dept and cuts 10 jobs it isn't because the gov is limiting competition. LEAN isn't new by any stretch of the imagination.
Many people have a need to blame someone/something for the 50 year trend toward higher productivity.

Excellent addition to this thread, btw.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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Many people have a need to blame someone/something for the 50 year trend toward higher productivity.

Excellent addition to this thread, btw.
there has been a trend towards higher productivity going back to the beginning of human kind..

That doesnt explain how unemployment dropped through the 2000's, even though manufacturing jobs fell and incomes rose..

Are you saying Bush was super human, or Obama is too incompetent to do the very job previous administrations faced?
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Who are these companies, and how are they accomplishing this achievement? Are new regs and a weak economy forcing smaller competitors to fail and close up shop? Are the big chain stores sucking up all the smaller stores customers? Who are you rooting for, big Walmart, or Mrs. Brackman's local grocery store? sounds like you are rooting for the big box stores who "employ the masses."

That is how it works sometimes, big businesses can lobby government to enact punitive regulations, which will increase their costs. However, since big business have deep pockets, they can afford to ride out the regulatory storm, while the little guys get crushed. Then the big guys end up owning a larger share of the market, which offsets the new regulatory costs. Who loses in that environment? We do. Government wins, because now they have fewer and fewer businesses to deal with and control.

Big oil would love to see some of the tax depreciations go away, because only the smaller independent oil, mining and gas companies qualify for them.
Ray Kroc discovered the Mc Donald Bros. who were looking for a new franchising agent. The rest is history.

Sam Walton was once the pop in mom & pop. In the early 80's Sam Walton became the wealthiest man in the U.S. By the end of that decade, almost 25 years ago, Walmart became the most profitable retail enterprise in the world and soon thereafter the largest private sector U.S. employer.

It's all about innovation. It's the economies of scale. Big box has more buying power than mom and pop. People generally won't pay a nickel more for made in the USA or to buy from mom & pop unless mom and pop have something so unique that people can't live without it. Most mom & pops do not fall into this category. Heck, mom & pops fail everyday and it's not because of government.

It annoys me to hear people blame right now on a president, any president, any party.

Having said all this, I sincerely appreciate and share your position on lobbying/campaign donations/seats at the table.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I thought Obama was elected and then reelected to fix all of Bush's mess, bring prosperity, transparency, and make it rain gum drops and lollipops. Here we are five years later and EVERYTHING Bush did has been made worse.

You're wrong, of course.

But that's to be expected.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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Ray Kroc discovered the Mc Donald Bros. who were looking for a new franchising agent. The rest is history.

Sam Walton was once the pop in mom & pop. In the early 80's Sam Walton became the wealthiest man in the U.S. By the end of that decade, almost 25 years ago, Walmart became the most profitable retail enterprise in the world and soon thereafter the largest private sector U.S. employer.

It's all about innovation. It's the economies of scale. Big box has more buying power than mom and pop. People generally won't pay a nickel more for made in the USA or to buy from mom & pop unless mom and pop have something so unique that people can't live without it. Most mom & pops do not fall into this category. Heck, mom & pops fail everyday and it's not because of government.

It annoys me to hear people blame right now on a president, any president, any party.

Having said all this, I sincerely appreciate and share your position on lobbying/campaign donations/seats at the table.
Yes Ray Kroc discovered the McDonalds brothers because the McDonalds brothers were modernizing and selling milk shakes in huge volumes. Modernizing has been taking place since the beginning of time so to blame that on why Obama cant get decent job numbers is pathetic.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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there has been a trend towards higher productivity going back to the beginning of human kind..

That doesnt explain how unemployment dropped through the 2000's, even though manufacturing jobs fell and incomes rose..

Are you saying Bush was super human, or Obama is too incompetent to do the very job previous administrations faced?
Employment did not drop during the 2000's. Some years it increased and some years it declined.

The housing bubble and defense contracts related to war drove the economy.

Municipalities all over the U.S. went hog wild and built new infrastructure financed by local bonds.

Without the bubble and war, the U.S. would have slipped into a recession sooner.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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Employment did not drop during the 2000's. Some years it increased and some years it declined.

The housing bubble and defense contracts related to war drove the economy.

Municipalities all over the U.S. went hog wild and built new infrastructure financed by local bonds.

Without the bubble and war, the U.S. would have slipped into a recession sooner.
Employment in the manufacturing industry did indeed drop during the complete 2000's..

In fact it dropped over 5,000,000 jobs, so the 1,000,000 government jobs that were gained, is only 20% of it.. What about the other 80%?
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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Employment in the manufacturing industry did indeed drop during the complete 2000's..

In fact it dropped over 5,000,000 jobs, so the 1,000,000 government jobs that were gained, is only 20% of it.. What about the other 80%?
Construction, finance, business services, and service industries were growing.


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Old 08-23-2013, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yes Ray Kroc discovered the McDonalds brothers because the McDonalds brothers were modernizing and selling milk shakes in huge volumes. Modernizing has been taking place since the beginning of time so to blame that on why Obama cant get decent job numbers is pathetic.
2000-2010 is generally considered a decade of zero job growth. That's darn remarkable, given the housing bubble and the war.

What specifically did the Bush Admin do to increase employment?

What did the Bush Admin do that the Obama Admin has, thus far, failed to do?

Increasingly, economists agree that we've entered a era where the U.S. will see more frequent recessions and that they will likely occur before recovery from the prior recession.

Private sector innovation is the only meaningful job creator. And as any seasoned venture capitalist knows, you win a few and loose the majority.

If there is a " next big thing" just around the bend, no one knows about it, right now.
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