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"I presume, Redraven, from your post, that students and teachers in those states are prepared for the latter."
One should seldom presume or assume. there is a good chance one would be WRONG!
NO, I was not referring to students or teachers (although in past years, there would have been an excellent chance, especially during hunting season, that BOTH would be at school well armed). Actually I was referring to those who live within a few blocks of the school. There would be an excellent chance that the "aggressors" in an unpublicized "drill" would have armed neighbors to deal with. Many of those neighbors would be veterans and/or hunters, well trained in shot placement.
"...when we should have been having shooting ranges installed next to our playgrounds! "
Funny you should mention that. When I was in grade school, the Glacier Rifle and Pistol Club indoor range was two blocks from the school. The outdoor range was about 1/4 mile away. In high school it was not uncommon at all to see rifles in a rack across the back windows of pickups (student and faculty) in the parking lot, once again, especially during hunting season. Students quite often brought guns to school to do barrel bedding and make custom grips in shop class.
Y'know, there were NO school shootings back then!.
Of course, THE PEOPLE were a LOT different in those days.
"Of course, these days they have access to military-style weapons so they can shoot more children faster. "
UMMMM... I hate to bust your bubble, but way back when, the people had access to "military style" weapons, also. M-1 Garands, M-1 Carbines, M1911 .45 auto pistols, semi-automatic Thompson machine gun replicas, etc. were all readily available. I knew a guy who had an M-2 .50 cal. machine gun in his front yard.
THE PEOPLE were different, not the hardware.
" Actually I was referring to those who live within a few blocks of the school. There would be an excellent chance that the "aggressors" in an unpublicized "drill" would have armed neighbors to deal with. Many of those neighbors would be veterans and/or hunters, well trained in shot placement.
Wonderful! I'm sure that parents in those areas sleep well at night knowing that there's an excellent chance of their kid not being shot. Hoping that neighbors will be at home and standing guard is an excellent strategy.
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"...when we should have been having shooting ranges installed next to our playgrounds! "
Funny you should mention that. When I was in grade school, the Glacier Rifle and Pistol Club indoor range was two blocks from the school. The outdoor range was about 1/4 mile away. In high school it was not uncommon at all to see rifles in a rack across the back windows of pickups (student and faculty) in the parking lot, once again, especially during hunting season. Students quite often brought guns to school to do barrel bedding and make custom grips in shop class.
How nice. But most of America is not the wild west like that, as of course you know. But I'm sure the parents of, oh, Greenwich, CT, say, or really any leafy American suburb, will enjoy turning their community into exactly that.
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Y'know, there were NO school shootings back then!.
Of course, THE PEOPLE were a LOT different in those days.
"Of course, these days they have access to military-style weapons so they can shoot more children faster. "
UMMMM... I hate to bust your bubble, but way back when, the people had access to "military style" weapons, also. M-1 Garands, M-1 Carbines, M1911 .45 auto pistols, semi-automatic Thompson machine gun replicas, etc. were all readily available. I knew a guy who had an M-2 .50 cal. machine gun in his front yard.
THE PEOPLE were different, not the hardware.
America had access, but the NRA had not yet become the organization it is today, in which it spends billions of dollars encouraging people to own multiple weapons in case of black helicopters or roaming bands of home invaders. There was a sea change in the organization in the 1970s, thanks to a man who murdered another boy as a teenager and claimed "self defense." A sterling character, whose genius for fundraising and marketing is still unsurpassed in many industries.
Per-household gun ownership is down, of course, as every gun nut will tell you. But that doesn't tell the story at all. The real story is that those who do own guns now own them in record numbers. Will 2013 mark record gun sales in US?- MSN Money
Without the NRA and its fearmongering, would Nancy Lanza have been a prepper with a fully-accessible arsenal for her crazy son? Would the NRA and its encouragement of parents to get their kids to play with guns, would we have had Columbine? The answer, of course, is no.
The only thing different about earlier times is that people owned one or two guns. Now we have arsenals that would make your local police department jealous in basements across America. Having been apparently well and truly indoctrinated in the NRA propaganda, you probably didn't realize that this was not the norm in the U.S. Things HAVE changed, starting with the NRA's new direction in the 1970s.
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For nearly a century after, its founding in 1871, the National Rifle Association was among America’s foremost pro-gun control organizations. It was not until 1977 when the NRA that Americans know today emerged, after libertarians who equated owning a gun with the epitome of freedom and fomented widespread distrust against government—if not armed insurrection—emerged after staging a hostile leadership coup.
Without the NRA and its fearmongering, would Nancy Lanza have been a prepper with a fully-accessible arsenal for her crazy son? Would the NRA and its encouragement of parents to get their kids to play with guns, would we have had Columbine? The answer, of course, is no.
It was not fully accessible if her son had to kill her to get access to those guns.
He had tried to buy a gun on his own which meant he didn't have access to her guns.
You have more kids on drugs today than ever before. More than 1/4 of US children are on drugs.
And no one bothers to question why or to find out what is going on to cause this.
Nope..just load them up with more powerful drugs.
Load children with drugs and then wonder "what happened" when they go on killing sprees ?
It was not fully accessible if her son had to kill her to get access to those guns.
He had tried to buy a gun on his own which meant he didn't have access to her guns.
You have more kids on drugs today than ever before. More than 1/4 of US children are on drugs.
And no one bothers to question why or to find out what is going on to cause this.
Nope..just load them up with more powerful drugs.
Load children with drugs and then wonder "what happened" when they go on killing sprees ?
Remember, the Left wants easier access to ALL drugs for everyone too. So after some drug addict guns someone down for drugs or money to get drugs, they will blame the weapon used instead of the situation they helped create by legalizing addictive and harmful drugs.
"Now we have arsenals that would make your local police department jealous in basements across America"
Perhaps so. I wonder, how many of the owners of those "arsenals" have gone on killing sprees? Is such a scenario even worthy of consideration?
"Having been apparently well and truly indoctrinated in the NRA propaganda, you probably didn't realize that this was not the norm in the U.S."
Once again, sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. There certainly were "arsenals" in the 1950s. I knew several people who owned multiple weapons back then, and not many were NRA members. In fact, our gun club got many of the weapons and ammunition from the Federal Government through the Director of Civilian Marksmanship (M-1 Garands and thousands of rounds of .30 cal.ball ammunition). The DCM sent the guns and ammunition every summer! We made sure we fired it all, so they wouldn't short us the next year.
Trying to blame everything on the NRA is foolish, if not completely stupid. The biggest "gun lobby" is the non-aligned gun owners who write their Senators and Representatives on a regular basis about gun issues. There are quite possibly more of those than there are NRA members.
It might behoove you to remember exactly WHO is the NRA or the GOA or any other organization: They just might be made up of your neighbors! With over 3 million members, so it is said, there is a good chance one or more lives next door to you, and you don't even know it!
Remember, the Left wants easier access to ALL drugs for everyone too. So after some drug addict guns someone down for drugs or money to get drugs, they will blame the weapon used instead of the situation they helped create by legalizing addictive and harmful drugs.
What threads have you been hanging out on? It's the rightie gun lovers who shriek in pain every time some state tries to enforce its laws to keep felons and the mentally ill from having guns.
"Now we have arsenals that would make your local police department jealous in basements across America"
Perhaps so. I wonder, how many of the owners of those "arsenals" have gone on killing sprees? Is such a scenario even worthy of consideration?
"Having been apparently well and truly indoctrinated in the NRA propaganda, you probably didn't realize that this was not the norm in the U.S."
Once again, sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. There certainly were "arsenals" in the 1950s. I knew several people who owned multiple weapons back then, and not many were NRA members. In fact, our gun club got many of the weapons and ammunition from the Federal Government through the Director of Civilian Marksmanship (M-1 Garands and thousands of rounds of .30 cal.ball ammunition). The DCM sent the guns and ammunition every summer! We made sure we fired it all, so they wouldn't short us the next year.
Trying to blame everything on the NRA is foolish, if not completely stupid. The biggest "gun lobby" is the non-aligned gun owners who write their Senators and Representatives on a regular basis about gun issues. There are quite possibly more of those than there are NRA members.
It might behoove you to remember exactly WHO is the NRA or the GOA or any other organization: They just might be made up of your neighbors! With over 3 million members, so it is said, there is a good chance one or more lives next door to you, and you don't even know it!
Meh.
Everyone one but the gun sheep know that these organizations are just shills for the gun manufacturers. It's in their financial interest to get people to buy ever more guns, especially as ownership by household is going down. As you cons like to say, follow the money.
It was not fully accessible if her son had to kill her to get access to those guns.
He had tried to buy a gun on his own which meant he didn't have access to her guns.
You have more kids on drugs today than ever before. More than 1/4 of US children are on drugs.
And no one bothers to question why or to find out what is going on to cause this.
Nope..just load them up with more powerful drugs.
Load children with drugs and then wonder "what happened" when they go on killing sprees ?
Hm. If he had to kill her to get the guns ... what did he shoot her with?
Hm. If he had to kill her to get the guns ... what did he shoot her with?
No one knows how he got access to her guns because they are both dead.
But he tried to buy a gun on his own first and failed.
Do you think if he had access to his mother's weapons he would have bothered to try to buy his own ?
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