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Old 09-10-2013, 11:01 AM
 
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The threat of force is implied by virtue of the United States being the world's lone superpower. That Barry proposed something that already existed is not what's driving diplomacy. Assad knew if he deployed chemical weapons that there would be militaristic ramifications. That is, unless the world's lone superpower is headed by Barack Obama. Then of course there's no reason to worry. And Assad was right. Barry Obama was too weak to do anything but mumble a few threats, trip over his own red line, and crash headfirst into the wall called the American People. Meanwhile, Vladimir saves the day while the Bumbling Idiot Obama tries to figure out how to back away from the "red line" he drew in the face of American opposition to the strike.
Your post ignores the facts. Why would Assad willingly give up his chemical weapons if he "knew" there would be no military strike? By your logic, Assad ought to be thumbing his nose at us and continuing to gas his people.

Obama didn't directly threaten military action until this latest attack a few weeks ago. There is evidence that Assad had used chemicals weapons back in March. It was only when Obama made his threat that Assad (and the Russians) took notice. Even though it looked like Congress (and Americans in general) were unsupportive of an attack, Assad was still concerned.

Vladimir, for his part, hasn't done anything yet. The weapons have not yet been secured or destroyed.

 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Transferring it's chemical weapons is not punishment. The world should be ashamed of letting another Hitler-esque dictator kill his own people with chemical weapons. Except this time, it's a slap on the wrist instead of intervention.

Barack Obama had it right: A strike on Syria is necessary. I supported, and still support, those strikes.

I guess when you've got Vladimir Putin staring you in the face, the United States is nothing more than a neutered cat. At least that's what this latest "proposal" indicates.

What a ****ing embarrassment this President has bestowed on the legacy of the United States of America.

So you are for the United States killing innocent civilians for something that some splinter group of rebels might have done?
 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:05 AM
 
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Your post ignores the facts. Why would Assad willingly give up his chemical weapons if he "knew" there would be no military strike? By your logic, Assad ought to be thumbing his nose at us and continuing to gas his people.

Obama didn't directly threaten military action until this latest attack a few weeks ago. There is evidence that Assad had used chemicals weapons back in March. It was only when Obama made his threat that Assad (and the Russians) take notice.
There is no proof Assad gassed anyone but in the end he isn't going to give up his weapons. Has Iran? Has North Korea?
 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:05 AM
 
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Where is the evidence that Assad was responsible for the Sarin gas attacks? Why are you so eager to support al Qaeda? Were you one those dancing in the streets after the 09/11/2001 attacks?
Al Qaeda is a player in the region, but not the only player. I get tired of hearing these "why support Al Qaeda" claims as if such a question will appeal to the senses and sensitivities and therefore make us turn tail and run. I've yet to hear the American administration....or the world for that matter.....place as much emphasis on AQ as the poster's on this forum. Sorry, i'm not buying it in totality. Giving AQ a boost is A consideration, but it's not THE consideration that matters most. If so, then we might as well pack up and renounce our superpower status if AQ is enough to keep us from defending against the use of chemical weapons.

Is that the America that you envision? Cower to AQ? Cower to dictatorial use of chemical weapons?

Not me.
 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I think this squashed the US plans to further weaken Assad so the terrorists could take control of the country.
US aggression in Libya and Iraq fell to terrorist hands in the wake of our invasions.

Now what will the US do to weaken Assad so the terrorist can take control ?
 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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There is no proof Assad gassed anyone but in the end he isn't going to give up his weapons. Has Iran? Has North Korea?
Not following you. You're saying he did not gas anyone (which is contrary to all evidence) and that he won't give up his weapons (which is contrary to the reporting right now). Also not sure what weapons you're referring to when you mention Iran. They don't have a bomb.

From a news report this morning:

"The Syrian foreign minister said Tuesday that his government has accepted Russia’s proposal to place its chemical weapons under international control for ultimate destruction, according to reports from Moscow."
 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A Russian proposal that came out just a couple of days after Putin met with a cool, distant Obama who treated him like an errant child.

Perhaps you missed the timing of these events.



The face-saver for Putin.

Clever boys, Obama and Kerry. Always thinking ahead a step or two.
LOL

Start your story with "Once upon a time...."
 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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So you are for the United States killing innocent civilians for something that some splinter group of rebels might have done?
Are you for the use of chemical weapons on innocent citizens by the Assad regime?

Two can play this game.
 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:11 AM
 
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Your post ignores the facts. Why would Assad willingly give up his chemical weapons if he "knew" there would be no military strike? By your logic, Assad ought to be thumbing his nose at us and continuing to gas his people.

Obama didn't directly threaten military action until this latest attack a few weeks ago. There is evidence that Assad had used chemicals weapons back in March. It was only when Obama made his threat that Assad (and the Russians) took notice. Even though it looked like Congress (and Americans in general) were unsupportive of an attack, Assad was still concerned.

Vladimir, for his part, hasn't done anything yet. The weapons have not yet been secured or destroyed.
Actually, you missed the point. The use of chemical weapons was made possible by a limp-wristed President, and ultimately backed up by a limp-wristed UK Parliament. That's the whole point. Assad didn't actually worry about ramifications because he knew there would be NONE with Putin in his back pocket. And now we see that Assad was right all along. He could use chemical weapons with impunity.

You don't get it do you?
 
Old 09-10-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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I support Barack Obama in strikes against Syria. I guess that obliterates your faulty assumptions.

Move along. There's bound to be a "Barack Obama Is The Messiah!" website somewhere for you to play on.
Problem is, what happens after the strike? I've asked it repeatedly, and no one has an answer.
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