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We have 10+ years of NCLB which didn't work.
Or maybe it did..we went from #2 in the world to #18.
Now we have RTT and Common Core which is worse than NCLB.
The folks in charge are not interested in fixing what they broke.
Common Core is not worse. People who say that have never read the standards. Particularly for reading and language arts, it's most certainly a step in the right direction, but I would never contend that fixing the problem mostly involves tweaking the national standards.
Giving poor kids an insufficient stipend to ship them off to for-profit schools does not amount to "helping disadvantaged students."
Between prison and "school choice," right-wingers have stumbled upon a much more effective means of segregating the races than Jim Crow laws. On top of it, they get to privatize even more and try to chip away at the basic precept of American culture, that everyone is entitled to a free and public education.
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I am all for disadvantaged children succeeding. The solution is not shipping some kids off to private schools with insufficient funds for tuition. You'll notice that no one has answered my question about how much each child will receive as a stipend and how long that money will run? The solution is fixing poor public schools. Many of the solutions will bother some of my fellow lefties, but that is the path to follow, not diverting some poor kids off to for-profit schools and leaving most of the rest in failing schools.
Where do you get that they have insufficient funds? A voucher covers the tuition to the school. At least here in Buffalo, public school buses bus our kids to school - catholic, private or public - I know many that go to Catholic schools 10-25 miles away from home - there is no extra charge levied on the parents.
I agree that all public schools need to be fixed - the No Tolerance program harms as many good kids as it does bad, being every child deserves an education - the bad kids disrupt the class so others can't learn - many teachers in poor areas have given up ect...
It's time to hold parents responsible for student behavior, institute a uniform program, you're bad - you're out - sending these kids to an alternative school isn't working - they're not learning anything there either.
Now with the teachers not having to be parents as well as teachers they can teach and if they don't measure up - they're let go.
It's not only our future that is suffering with the way things are but my taxpayer dollars are going down the tube. I'd much rather see my taxpayer dollars go to educating a bright, intelligent, hardworking kid at a good school where they can learn.
Unless everyone gets a voucher this type of program should not be allowed.
Agree but the most common complaint from the left is vouchers are a gift to rich people, by going this route you've killed just about every liberal argument there is. You can expand the program in the future to all students.
Common Core is not worse. People who say that have never read the standards. Particularly for reading and language arts, it's most certainly a step in the right direction, but I would never contend that fixing the problem mostly involves tweaking the national standards.
Common core triples the amount of standardized testing.
Common core puts 100% of student failure blame on teachers.
Children's brains develop at different stages.
Common core practically throws Piaget's stages of development out the window for some subjects like Math.
Years ago I had a friend who was a music teacher in a public school. He was a liberal hippie type, complete with pillbox-type hat, and gray ponytail. One day somehow we got on the topic of school vouchers. To my surprise he supported the idea 100%. He said that our current system is an abomination. As I recall the way he put it was that having a voucher system of some form could open up whole new 'vistas' in education.
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