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As the USA is being transformed into a Walmart economy and more uneducated white males see their income decline, and their job opportunities erode, it may well be that we will see more dysfunctional white familes. Already we are seeing destructive behaviors (drug. nicotine and alcohol abuse) becoming increasingly concentrated among poor white males.
The decline in college graduation among males is another sign of this, as white males from affluent families continue to be over represented relative to females. Enrollment of black MALES has actually increased (this of course disguising the fact that there is a large social gap between the most and the least affluent blacks in the USA, and so the situation for poor black males remains dire).
The decline of the black family came along when job opportunities for uneducated black men in urban areas disappeared. This being the result of automation, transfer of jobs to segregated suburbs, or to areas in teh South with small black populations. Also the insistence by the welfare system that no male should be in the home led to many black and Hispanic women replacing a husband, whose ability to contribute was limited, for reasons outlined above, by Uncle Sam, who paid the rent, and provided access to food, healthcare, etc.
Welfare was not designed as a "hand up". It was designed as a "hand out" and encouraged destructive behavioral patterns. We can blame both the Left and the Right for this.
I suspect that dysfuntion, which we currently see as "racial", because a disproportionate % of the poor are black and Hispanic, will be exposed to be the result of poverty, and not race, as increasing numbers of whites in declining areas fall into that trap.
A statistic that you chose not to cite, because it doesnt fit your agenda is the fact that college enrollment of black MEN increased from 700k in 2001 to 1.4 million in 2011. If we look back to 1960 the gains will be even more stark. There has been a tremendous increase in the black middle class.
Yet despite this various studies have indicated that college educated black men earn what a white man with a high school diploma makes. I cite this because it eliminates any distortion that might be caused by black men either graduating from inferior colleges, or in degrees which lead to lower earning occupations, that might partially explain why college educated white men do better than their black peers.
So let us focus on the real issue. Not an attempt to suggest that blacks haven't progressed. But to suggest that the USA has a major problem with its poorest citizens, and that this pool will include more whites as the de-industrialization of much of the USA continues, with minimum wage Walmart jobs, replacing mid level wage factory jobs. Ultimately the increasing divide between the affluent and the rest doesnt bode well for the future functioning of this country.
Excellent rebuttal. I would also say that racism was a MAJOR problem when America was at its economic zenith. When America really had the resources and opportunity to undo the damage it had done to African Americans.....it did not posses the will. We need to be clear that racism created uneven levels of poverty between blacks and whites, as well as other skews. Thus, even though racism has declined significantly, REAL OPPORTUNITY in America has declined as well. It is much harder to reach the middle class as the REAL fortunes of the nation dissipates. This makes it even that much harder for blacks to climb out of the hole of inequality that racism put them in.....then when you add to it the geographical logistic nightmare that resulted from "white flight" in many metro areas, blacks are displaced from where the jobs are located and often public transit fails to meet the needs of those who need the jobs most as jobs are usually located where whites are.
As the USA is being transformed into a Walmart economy and more uneducated white males see their income decline, and their job opportunities erode, it may well be that we will see more dysfunctional white familes. Already we are seeing destructive behaviors (drug. nicotine and alcohol abuse) becoming increasingly concentrated among poor white males.
The decline in college graduation among males is another sign of this, as white males from affluent families continue to be over represented relative to females. Enrollment of black MALES has actually increased (this of course disguising the fact that there is a large social gap between the most and the least affluent blacks in the USA, and so the situation for poor black males remains dire).
How is giving one race priority consideration over another race regardless of other factors racism? You're seriously asking that question? AA is the very definition of racism. It's irrelevant which races have benefited from AA. Anytime anyone benefits from it, it is racism.
And when a gender benefits from it, it is sexism. Regardless of which gender is benefiting.
Really. Can you furnish proof that AA has seriously hurt large numbers of white males? More so than the Old (white) Boy network hurts those who are not part of this powerful network? And I even include those ethnically based trade unions which, until recently, found informal ways of excluding blacks.
Cite the gender and racial backgrounds of the key power players when you respond.
Sorry, but his is all progaganda and hearsay...blacks crying poor me, no actual proof! Blacks can always do what other do, when feeling oppressed....they can immigrate elsewhere.
Affirmative action is still alive and kicking, a black person that barely got through a state school in many cases will be offered a job before the white person from a much better school, with better grades. White males still turned away from many top schools, particularly those majoring in sciences, mathematics, and engineering in favor of minorities, and women.
, and if we stop ourselves from complaining about racism, .
How does not talking about racism, when it exists, stop the existence of racism?
In 2013 no one consciously says "do not hire blacks". Its just that the white guy almost always has the "right fit". Or the networks from which they hire do not include non whites.
Indeed the more appropriate response is for some one to ask why one's social networks. etc are exclusively of one group, and how come no attempt is made to expand this, thereby increasing the pool from which talent can be found, or developed.
As the USA becomes a majority non white country it is in the interest of all to ensure that all are considered and given opportunity to succeed or fail.
What sources are you looking for? The fcat that a employment in retail and entertainment is replacing jobs in manufacturing? Or the fact that drug abuse (hard drugs like meth), smoking, and alcoholism is more of a problem among young white males than among young black men? Or the fact that males are a declining % of college graduates and this decline is due mainly to fewer low and moderate income white males going to college (attendance among their non white peers was always low so that cannot be the reason)?
Sorry, but his is all progaganda and hearsay...blacks crying poor me, no actual proof! Blacks can always do what other do, when feeling oppressed....they can immigrate elsewhere.
Affirmative action is still alive and kicking, a black person that barely got through a state school in many cases will be offered a job before the white person from a much better school, with better grades. White males still turned away from many top schools, particularly those majoring in sciences, mathematics, and engineering in favor of minorities, and women.
Lol....be careful what you ask for. You asked and I provided......now you say its propaganda. There is no evidence good enough for you obviously. When ones eyes and ears are closed....there can never be evidence....only that which already exist in your mind.
But yet there are the powerful social networks that white men, especially those from affluent backgrounds, can draw on to obtain employment, seek promotions and to develop business opportunities from which non white males (and most females) are usually excluded.
Because so many white people come from such affluent backgrounds, who have this networking? Are you serious? You realize you are talking about a very small percentage of the population....very small. Something else you've rationalized. Why not take a look at the highschool graduation rate for blacks verses whites first, start from there.
1. Colleges have much less ability to select solely on the basis of race. That horse died long ago so stop beating it. In fact there are colleges which discriminate IN FAVOR of males (usually WHITE) because the ration of female enrollments is too high, and to attract the best candidates they must ensure that there are a reasonable % of males admitted.
2. When blacks graduate college they experfeince more challenges in obtaining employment and in receiving promotions than do whites for a whole host of reasons.
Those who focus on AA are quite likely mediocre white males who are below standard and so are looking for an excuse. Even if every single black admitted to college didnt deserve to be there, the facts remain that the vast majority of those enrolled are whites, and so its the whites at the lower end of the performance curve who might get bumped. And Asians can also argue that they get bumped by whites who get admitted as part of the legacy, sports, or "having an interesting" background.
Because so many white people come from such affluent backgrounds, who have this networking? Are you serious? You realize you are talking about a very small percentage of the population....very small. Something else you've rationalized. Why not take a look at the highschool graduation rate for blacks verses whites first, start from there.
Put it this way. IN NYC over 50% of white men are in executive/managament/professional slots. Is this small? They account for the bulk of the people in these occupations, and are often perceived to define what some one in these occupations will look like. So even if a white man is not part of this group, coming from a blue collar back ground, he will have fewer obstacles of perception to overcome than would most black men.
You will concede that the % of black men who come from well connected families is much smaller than the white equivalent.
White males still have privilege in this country relative to others.
I do not hear too many of them wishing to become black so that "glorious opportunities will magically appear".
In NYC the white graduation rate is 80%, black 60%. Not a huge gap. Asians have the highest rates yet are under represented in top management positions when we consider how many graduate from top tier colleges.
If I were you I will abandon this "poor white man" trip because it is too obvious that this is not the case, except for people looking for an excuse to explain their own INDIVIDUAL failures.
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