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Old 08-28-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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In many companies, mine included, men get paid maternity time.
I get paternity leave as well but it is a fraction of the time that is available to women.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:52 AM
 
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Yeah, it's so unfair that women get to take more maternity leave than men. If that's not discrimination, I don't know what is. I've seen so many pregnant men who give birth and have to be back to work the very next day. It's just awful.
That is not the issue. A woman taking six weeks off for maternity leave will not usually impact her earnings. A woman who takes two years off to raise junior will.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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This is one issue that really really bothers me. All over the news, I always hear of this wage gap. From those clowns on The View to Barack Obama, these people always claim that in 2013, women are intentionally paid less than men just because they have a vagina.

Why does no one mention that females often take more vacation time and maternity leave than men?
Why don't they mention that females often work in lower paying fields BY CHOICE (secretary, teaching etc) Whereas men will choose to go into fields such as construction, a trade or business?
Why don't they mention that females often times study "useless degrees" whereas men take on subjects such as engineering, science and math to get high paying jobs?

I find it hard to believe that in 2013, a male and a female will apply for the exact same position and if the female gets hired, her wage would be lowered automatically. Does it still happen? Probably, but not as much as these libs make it seem. Instead, I would focus on the underlying issue which would be encouraging more young girls to go into different fields.


You're right, of course. If women were doing the same job as men, they would be paid the same. That's the "big lie" that we're treated to whenever this pay inequality subject is brought up. They conveniently forget to mention that, in many organizations, women tend to gravitate towards...dare I say it....women's jobs () and there are simply more of those jobs to be filled. It's a matter of supply and demand.

That's why "equal pay for the same job" has curiously morphed into "equal pay for equal work." That, of course, is open to interpretation.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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This is one issue that really really bothers me. All over the news, I always hear of this wage gap. From those clowns on The View to Barack Obama, these people always claim that in 2013, women are intentionally paid less than men just because they have a vagina.

Why does no one mention that females often take more vacation time and maternity leave than men?
Why don't they mention that females often work in lower paying fields BY CHOICE (secretary, teaching etc) Whereas men will choose to go into fields such as construction, a trade or business?
Why don't they mention that females often times study "useless degrees" whereas men take on subjects such as engineering, science and math to get high paying jobs?

I find it hard to believe that in 2013, a male and a female will apply for the exact same position and if the female gets hired, her wage would be lowered automatically. Does it still happen? Probably, but not as much as these libs make it seem. Instead, I would focus on the underlying issue which would be encouraging more young girls to go into different fields.
The St. Louis Fed already addressed the issue. The only place you will hear about the "wage gap" is from the media and people incapable of performing independent research. Sometimes you will hear that women are paid 70% of what a man will earn, but the people that promote that statistic think women are are dumb enough to work for a fraction of a man's pay and that CEO's are stupid enough to not hire only women. On the other hand some people really do think a part time teacher should make the same as a full time petroleum engineer working in southeast Asia.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Those who believe women are being discriminated against in the workplace should start a business and hire a few of those women at a wage higher than the market is paying women and lower than what the market is paying men.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Earth
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You're right, of course. If women were doing the same job as men, they would be paid the same. That's the "big lie" that we're treated to whenever this pay inequality subject is brought up. They conveniently forget to mention that, in many organizations, women tend to gravitate towards...dare I say it....women's jobs () and there are simply more of those jobs to be filled. It's a matter of supply and demand.

That's why "equal pay for the same job" has curiously morphed into "equal pay for equal work." That, of course, is open to interpretation.
No, it's not.
The comparisons are done profession to profession.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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That is not the issue. A woman taking six weeks off for maternity leave will not usually impact her earnings. A woman who takes two years off to raise junior will.
Exactly. A friend's wife is a pilot, and is constantly complaining that she makes much less than her male counterparts. He has to remind her that she took the crap routes while their kids were little, so she wasn't gone from home as much. But she is absolutely convinced that it's because of her gender, not her life choices.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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No, it's not.
The comparisons are done profession to profession.
Yes, but it still leaves out crucial factors. For instance, men are generally more willing to commute longer distances and relocate. Also, men tend to work longer hours and women are more likely to take off for family concerns/responsibilities.

Now, I'm not arguing that those are necessarily good things for men, but it will certainly affect compensation levels.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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This is one issue that really really bothers me. All over the news, I always hear of this wage gap.
Why has no one questioned the "Wage gap" between men and women?

Because there is no wage gap.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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Exactly. A friend's wife is a pilot, and is constantly complaining that she makes much less than her male counterparts. He has to remind her that she took the crap routes while their kids were little, so she wasn't gone from home as much. But she is absolutely convinced that it's because of her gender, not her life choices.
Another part of this issue that hasn't been raised so far is a person's willingness to negotiate for a higher salary as well as ask for raises/promotions. A study was done a few years ago that showed women to be much less likely to negotiate for a higher salary or ask for a raise.

In this study, it was found that only 7% of female MBA graduates attempted to negotiate a higher salary when offered a job compared to 57% of men.

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