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Old 08-29-2013, 06:38 AM
 
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They last Much longer and use less power.
Actually, they only last longer under specific conditions (switching on and off constantly greatly shortens their life spans). Even under their ideal conditions, they only are rating at 50-60% of their claimed lifetime (that is the best bulbs on the market as some brands don't even compare to incandescents). There are numerous conditions when buying them to in order to gain efficiency. They are not good for enclosed containers as this can shorten their span and burn them out. They are terrible under poorly conditioned lines and this also burns them out fast (not to mention increases risk of fire due to their nature of not encapsulating the ballast).

There are a lot of "conditions" to them being superior and that is the problem. They aren't a clear winner in technological progress and due to the mercury problem, they are a clear loser when it comes to environment friendly. Those pushing the "power saving" as a superior means of being environmentally friendly have to labor a long and "assumptive and unverified" argument to achieve their position Iie climate change, coal plants, etc...).
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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They last Much longer and use less power.
You quoted me but you missed my first post about 130V costing much less and almost never needing to be replaced.

Oh, well, like others have said, .........never mind. It's not worth it!

Keep polluting and poisoning with your mercury. I couldn't care less.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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You THINK you are saving money but you AREN'T saving the environment which is how these things were sold hero. You got a blip mechanism in your brain??
The idea of comparing mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants vs. mercury from broken CFL bulbs too much for you? Hint: One number is bigger than the other.

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I could go on but won't.
It's not nice to get our hopes up like that.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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Well when I need to replace my car battery I just toss the old one into my neighbors yard. I guess I'll start doing that if I ever use the mercury laced death bulbs. Until then you best just do what the government tells you and evacuate the building if on breaks.
Just goes to show how wasteful you are, the place that you buy your new one will give you money for your old one, typical "conservative".
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:34 AM
 
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The idea of comparing mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants vs. mercury from broken CFL bulbs too much for you? Hint: One number is bigger than the other.
So you are actually going to claim that emissions from coal-fired power plants exceed levels of in terms of exposure by:

"25,000 ng/m3, sometimes over 50,000 ng/m3, and possibly over 100,000 ng/m3 from the breakage of a single compact fluorescent lamp."

Maine Compact Fluorescent Lamp Breakage Study Report

Really? Please explain. (hint: it is called backing up your position)
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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CFLs are dangerous, and THEY ARE NOT ecologically friendly. When you break a CFL you've effectively turned your home into a biohazard.

I've spent hundreds replacing all my incandescent bulbs with CFLs. Now, I've spent thousands replacing all of my CFLs with high lumen LEDs. This alone has cut my total energy usage down by 30%. We've gone from 1600kwh mo. to under 1000kwh mo, so it has been well worth the investment.

The biggest upside is that my solar system can be half the size I was originally planning. I won't have to replace a bulb for up to 25 years, as well.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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So you are actually going to claim that emissions from coal-fired power plants exeed levels of:

"25,000 ng/m3, sometimes over 50,000 ng/m3, and possibly over 100,000 ng/m3 from the breakage of a single compact fluorescent lamp."

Really? Please explain.
Oh, for f*ck's sake. Local concentrations are different from total emissions.

If you spill bleach on the kitchen floor, you will temporarily create chlorine concentrations way beyond OSHA PELs in the immediate vicinity. If you break a fluorescent light, you will temporarily establish mercury concentrations way beyond OSHA PELs in the immediate vicinity.

That has nothing to do with total emission of mercury to the environment. Which, and I don't care whether Glenn Beck approves or not, goes down when we burn less coal in our powerplants.

We have had fluorescent lights since when? The 1950s? You guys act as if it's a requirement to bring in a combined EOD/biohazard team every time a fluorescent light strip breaks.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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Don't get caught using eco-friendly light bulbs in Glenn Beck's office

To prove his case against global warming, which Beck labels a “load of socialist, communist crap,” the right-wing talk-show host announced his war against energy-efficient light bulbs.
On air, he asked a staffer to write a memo that threatened to fire anyone caught using one. The YouTube video of the moment was picked up by Grist.

Regardless of your climate change position you have to laugh. But feel bad for his employees.
I'll burn a kerosene lantern if you pay me.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Point being made is 99% won't dispose of em properly and they will end up in the waste fill. Who is accounting for that? NOBODY. It's a joke. Just like the rest of the militant enviro fantasy. They end up doing more damage than helping in the end. Heard of DDT?
Exactly right! There's always unintended consequences, because there's too much damn money to be made on reaction, and nothing to be made on reason.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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The idea of comparing mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants vs. mercury from broken CFL bulbs too much for you? Hint: One number is bigger than the other.

It's not nice to get our hopes up like that.
Seriously.
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