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Because of bi-partisian support from both parties who have allowed decent paying jobs to be sent oversaes, the republican union busting,
Please explain to me how a union gets broken up then causes the jobs to leave the USA
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and the growing elderly population and war veterans and their families how can you expect the welfare/unemployment not to increase? Instead of pointing fingers at one another neither are really doing anything to change it
The discussion is about welfare queens, and wealth inequality due to welfare programs.. If you want the elderly and war venterans and others to rely upon welfare, then stop complaining about wealth inequality because thats the ONLY outcome.
idk about Russell, but LBJ was in no way progressive and being big government is not a trait of being progressive either. , although, you and i have a different definition of what big government is. And LOL @ Progressives being linked to eugenics. What exactly are you defining as progressive ????
What exactly do you think a state/local voucher is ? They are funded out of the money given to public schools from local and or state taxation.
Also, republicans have indeed directly defunded Public education. Spending is up ,but per student spending is down, and comparing the dollar to just 20 years ago, spending is actually down overall by about 15% per student in this country( high school, not college)
I have no idea why you posted that link, it doesnt disprove the previous point or prove yours.
Thebest path out of poverty is indeed education, Your argument is that these students are being trapped in failing schools, my question is why do republicans close them instead of fixing them. There are great public high schools in every state in this country, so it is obvious that not all public schools are failing and there are stories of many turning them selves around, so why is it your side of the aisle decided to simple quit instead of looking for a solution ?
That is what King would be asking.
The solution is accountability.
When currently failing schools are forced to compete for students, the problem will fix itself and for a lot less money.
Please explain to me how a union gets broken up then causes the jobs to leave the USA
Republicans as a whole are anti-union and the corperation have been sending decent jobs overseas. You did not know this?
The discussion is about welfare queens, and wealth inequality due to welfare programs.. If you want the elderly and war venterans and others to rely upon welfare, then stop complaining about wealth inequality because thats the ONLY outcome.
No, I was talking about how the republicans point to blacks and latinos as being welfare queens and thugs and at the same time have the audacity to want them to vote for them. My point is how can you eliminate jobs and expect them not to need some sort of assistance? This is where wealth inequality starts
If you truly read it then you would know that at the end he repudiated his hateful thoughts and his belief in segregation and the white man as the devil.
But then you clearly didn't actually read it...
And at the time he was JUSTIFIED in his feelings due to the oppression of blacks at the time and he still repudiated them.
^^^^^this. Anybody who read the book knows that after he came back from mecca and seen that muslims came in all races and ethnicities that he changed he's beliefs and that he started to call out the nation of islam for the fraud religion that it is, that's why the nation of islam killed him.
Woodrow Wilson was not a progressive, he ran directly against the ideas of Teddy Roosevelt, infact, he ran against Roosevelt himself, so how can you label him a progressive ?
Of course he was a progressive. He led the movement. Is it any wonder why you have little to no credibility?
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And what exactly does that "its apart of history" line suppose to mean Are you claiming Wilson was the only President that was pro segregation ?
The point, is per pupil spending is determined by teachers salaries, the school electric bill, football baseball basketball and so on and so forth. im talking about the actual percentage used to educate the child and that has gone way down.
The point is private schools do it much cheaper and the students receive a better education.
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My comment says nothing about perpetuating a status quote, i stated my argument up front and to the point you are just dodging. Why are Republicans giving up on public schools rather than trying to fix them, every state has public schools that are considered good an in some cases great.
It should not be that hard of a question to answer.
The answer is get the failed Dept of Education and its one size fits all approach out of the picture. So much for democrats diversity.
No, I was talking about how the republicans point to blacks and latinos as being welfare queens and thugs and at the same time have the audacity to want them to vote for them.
Republicans being "anti union" has NOTHING to do with the reason companies are sending jobs overseas, which was your claim.
As for the welfare queen statements, that would only be a valid argument if you believe blacks and latinos are properly representated by the handful of welfare queens, (many of which just happen to be white, which blows your whole argument for what it is, which is a piece of crap)..
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My point is how can you eliminate jobs and expect them not to need some sort of assistance?
Who is eliminating jobs? Tell me how taking money from people, encourages them to spend more, thus creating jobs? Thats exactly what you expect to take place from Democratic polices. utter garbage. Even Clinton understood if you cut taxes and welfare, jobs would be created and the spending drops. Obama is doing the exact opposite, but by some miracle, you're expecting the same result.
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This is where wealth inequality starts
Not even close. You're confusing wealth, with income.
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The solution is accountability.
When currently failing schools are forced to compete for students, the problem will fix itself and for a lot less money.
That doesnt make sense to me, can you explain this concept further ? I mean i have heard you cons say it before but no one ever goes into great detail.
To me it seems like the rich would get richer because state and federal funding are still tied to test scores, the school who are already doing well would be far better funded and you would just make the problem we have no worse ?
Why not simply fix the broken schools, If the problem is as simply as you say and it can be solved by schools competing then you are showing that these schools are savable.
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Of course he was a progressive. He led the movement. Is it any wonder why you have little to no credibility?
The point is private schools do it much cheaper and the students receive a better education.
The answer is get the failed Dept of Education and its one size fits all approach out of the picture. So much for democrats diversity.
Saying he was a progressive and actually backing up your point are not one in the same.
Private schools do not do it much cheaper, Private schools are made up of children and parents who are better off, that means less of the cost is placed on the school itself, not that the actual cost is cheaper. Shifting cost is not the same as less cost.
Your Dept of Education argument makes no sense because there are plenty of public High schools where the majority of their senior classes go on to attend Universities ranked with in the top 50 of most reputable college ranking sources. You do realize that every year, most universities create a bio of their freshmen student bodies right?
67% of MIT's freshman class come from Public High schools, 62% for the University of Chicago, Yale 57%, 63% at Brown, 66% at Cornell, Columbia 60%. i could go on.
These are not applicant or accepted rates, these are the profiles of the enrolled freshman class(of 2017). So please come up with a better argument when you reply to me.
Saying he was a progressive and actually backing up your point are not one in the same.
And you saying he's not, with your fumbling of facts WHEN YOU ACTUALLY TRY TO USE THEM, is believeable?
from wiki and other sources
A leader of the Progressive Movement, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. Running against Republican incumbent William Howard Taft, Socialist Party of America candidate Eugene V. Debs, and former President Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party candidate Theodore Roosevelt, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912.
Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) was the 28th President of the United States, serving two terms from 1913-1919. As president of Princeton University and later as governor of New Jersey, Wilson was a leading Progressive, arguing for a stronger central government and fighting for anti-trust legislation and labor rights.
Woodrow Wilson defeated Theodore Roosevelt to become president in 1912. His first term saw sweeping legislation in progressive laws.
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Private schools do not do it much cheaper, Private schools are made up of children and parents who are better off, that means less of the cost is placed on the school itself, not that the actual cost is cheaper. Shifting cost is not the same as less cost.
What a stupid comment to make. The parents pay for it, reallly? duuuhhhh here are some facts. Try using them instead of making things up.
Total private school costs per student were 30.1 percent less than public school costs.
Private non-elite school costs were estimated to be 42.6 percent less than public school costs
AVERAGE DISTRICT PUBLIC SCHOOL PER PUPIL EXPENDITURE: $12,744
AVERAGE PRIVATE SCHOOL TUITION: $8,549
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Your Dept of Education argument makes no sense because there are plenty of public High schools where the majority of their senior classes go on to attend Universities ranked with in the top 50 of most reputable college ranking sources. You do realize that every year, most universities create a bio of their freshmen student bodies right?
67% of MIT's freshman class come from Public High schools, 62% for the University of Chicago, Yale 57%, 63% at Brown, 66% at Cornell, Columbia 60%. i could go on.
These are not applicant or accepted rates, these are the profiles of the enrolled freshman class(of 2017). So please come up with a better argument when you reply to me.
LMAO Because some students go to top 50 colleges means all schools are doing well???? You should sue your public education system for failing you.
You do realize you didn't address my point. Since we've had the department of education our standing compared to the rest of the world has dropped. So please come up with a better argument when you reply to me.
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