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What part of "A fetus does NOT = a human being" did you not understand?
And you missed my other point too. Most conservatives do not hold the parents responsible for letting their kids possess guns. Conservatives believe that they are just good American citizens exercising their Second Amendment rights.
I think we both know that that is simply a falsehood. People buying guns and using them and/or teaching their children how to use them safely and responsibly is good americans excercising their right. However, the parents in the case that you loosely reference were decidedly irresponsible. We both know that is the case. If you think otherwise, then you have no sense. Careless parents leave their car keys lay about all the time and all the time, kids grab them and go 100 foot down the street before crashing in to a telephone pole. Where is your outrage over this? Why no cries for more restrictive car laws? The absence of this from the left shows the complete hypocrisy and silliness of the argument for more gun control. Why is the blame shifted from the parents to the gun when we are talking about gun accidents, but the blame stays squarely on the parents when we talk about kids jumping in cars?
Tell me, how would universal background checks have prevented the tragedy you reference? How would an assault weapons ban have prevented it? How would a magazine capacity limit have prevented it? It WOULDN'T have because it was an accident, brought on by the irresponsibility of the parents. Game. Set. Match.
You see, the true goal of the left is to make it so difficult to get a gun, that the parents would never have had it to begin with. It's not hard to see the forest through the trees on this one, anyone who has the intellectual capacity of a fart could spot your game a mile away.
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If a two your old gets killed by a gun...........
See right there is the glitch in your thinking. GAWD, how can ANYONE be this blind!!!! There has never once been a two year old killed by a gun. The gun didn't pull it's own trigger did it? When someone leaves the bar and hits and kills someone walking on the side of the street, we wouldn't say... "pedestrian killed by car" would we? WOULD WE???? No, we'd say "pedestrian killed by drunken driver" How are guns any different?
Meanwhile, the NRA is the leading organization world wide for police/military training and firearm safety courses. States that have CCW laws consider NRA classes the gold standard. Infact, in a lot of states the NRA course is the one required. And, with programs like the Eddie Eagle program, the NRA tells kids to stop and never touch a gun, and to get an adult....... you know, that evil organization that wants to see guns in the hands of infants, and gets aroused at the thought of a classroom full of dead children? Yeah.... that one.
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The thing is, the entire debate became about gun control in general and less about the specific legislation that was on the table. This is due in no small part, to the fact that the left went for broke with draconian proposals like assault weapons bans and "universal" background checks, magazine limits, along with countless other proposals in state governments. Thanks to them, absolutely nothing was accomplished. Most of these proposals were either based on nothing significant to a firearm, {assault weapon ban} non-enforceable, { universal background checks} or very easy to work around fo an individual determined to do so. { magazine capacity limits}
I didn't oppose legislation that would have mandated background checks at gun shows for both dealers AND private sellers. That was simple enough, and pretty easy to enforce. However, universal background checks would be nearly impossible to enforce for reasons I've adressed many times on these boards.
You cant blame this one on the left. The right was running national TV adds against national legislature the first week of January, and most state legislatures werent even in session at that point.
The Right wing had already created a national narrative before any Democrat had opened their mouth in a State House or Senate chamber.
They then perpetuated the lie that the legislature proposed was a violation of rights, and that the Gun lobby wasnt even allowed to be at the negotiating table, which was a flat out lie. The NRA had representatives at the white House and at House chambers and agreed to what the President Proposed and then campaigned against it in public.
NO, the left doesnt get the blame for this. The Right wing derailed the debate before it even started.
There it is, the argument that if something does not solve a problem 100%, it shouldnt be done.
killing people is illegal, yet we still have murder victims, so are you saying we should repeal the law saying it is illegal to kill someone ?
When you make killing people illegal it does not affect the rights of those who do not kill people. When you make a gun illegal it makes the gun illegal to everyone who was not going to commit a crime.
I think we both know that that is simply a falsehood. People buying guns and using them and/or teaching their children how to use them safely and responsibly is good americans excercising their right. However, the parents in the case that you loosely reference were decidedly irresponsible.
Except the Good ol' boy network in Guntucky where that incident happened declared that case to be an unfortunate accident, and the parents were never even charged. The community all came together to have a big fundraiser for the poor irresponsible parents. The manufacturer of the My Little Cricket Rifle that killed the girl, is back to selling their death toys for kids, and the gun maniacs across the country are buying them up by the millions.
A two year old girl is dead, and all gunnuts can think about, is selling more guns to Americans. Conservatives have zero respect for human life. Pro death penalty, pro war, pro killing people in every way possible, and you have the nerve to question the Liberal's views on the sanctity of life. You gunnuts people make me sick.
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