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False premise to argue all or nothing at all gun regs.
Intentionally Misleading to cloud the issue.
All gun owners are in favor of some minimal, sensible and effective regulations. Beyond that, most regulation proposed or passed do absolutely nothing to address the largest source of gun violence. Gangs, career criminals, drugs and drug users.
The discussion is not divided between those who wants no regulation vs those who want regulation.
It is divided bertween those who support meaningless regulation, which chips away at freedom and those who support effective legislation.
One off events are being used to further anti gun legislation to falsely represent the heart of the gun violence problem; while the greatest offenders are allowed to go unaffected.
The only conclusion to meaningless gun legislation is that antis have roped and branded their 'great slippery slope' argument and turned that legal conjured imaginary monster to work for them by eventually eliminating all firearms. That great slippery slope is used by libs for every social justice issue, to ban words and pop tarts chewed into the shape of a gun and now react in disbelief when gun owners cite the slippery slope bearing down on their gun ownership.
Lest we repeat NJ 's strict gun laws, FID, Nics check, released medical records, FBI reviewed fingerprints.... and yet somehow Newark and sister cities have a legacy of unbroken murders... that remain unaffected with the passge of more gun laws. We have, however, made criminals out of law abiidng citizens and let a famous basketball player walk for shooting his chauffer
You sound exactly like the kid who used to sit in the back of the classroom and after the teacher gave an explanation and asked "does everyone understand" you were always the one who raised his hand with a puzzled look on his face.
i dont think anyone on either side would have an issue with you specifying features that you take issue with.
im going to assume you just dont know enough about gun control laws and so you feel uncomfortable that you will give a dumb answer. so im going to help a bit. when i did my research for myself for buying an ar-15 military style assault rifle; i read up on what makes some guns legal and some not legal in nj. here is a link to a site that is helpful. please read it so you can better answer questions and not pretend its for some reason other than you being worried you will give a dumb answer.
False premise to argue all or nothing at all gun regs.
Intentionally Misleading to cloud the issue.
All gun owners are in favor of some minimal, sensible and effective regulations. Beyond that, most regulation proposed or passed do absolutely nothing to address the largest source of gun violence. Gangs, career criminals, drugs and drug users.
The discussion is not divided between those who wants no regulation vs those who want regulation.
It is divided bertween those who support meaningless regulation, which chips away at freedom and those who support effective legislation.
One off events are being used to further anti gun legislation to falsely represent the heart of the gun violence problem; while the greatest offenders are allowed to go unaffected.
The only conclusion to meaningless gun legislation is that antis have roped and branded their 'great slippery slope' argument and turned that legal conjured imaginary monster to work for them by eventually eliminating all firearms. That great slippery slope is used by libs for every social justice issue, to ban words and pop tarts chewed into the shape of a gun and now react in disbelief when gun owners cite the slippery slope bearing down on their gun ownership.
Lest we repeat NJ 's strict gun laws, FID, Nics check, released medical records, FBI reviewed fingerprints.... and yet somehow Newark and sister cities have a legacy of unbroken murders... that remain unaffected with the passge of more gun laws. We have, however, made criminals out of law abiidng citizens and let a famous basketball player walk for shooting his chauffer
if the background check loopholes were eliminated, less guns would fall into the hands of people who choose to possess them illegally. if technology was allowed to be used in enforcement, when a crime was committed with a gun, it would be infinitely easier to catch the criminals. and if penalties were heavy for illegal possession (like they are in NYC), then people who do possess guns illegally would be taken off the street for longer periods of time.
you're right that most of what has been passed does nothing. some of what has been proposed would be beneficial, but much of what has been proposed is just what politicians know won't be that controversial, and also will appease people calling for action but won't actually accomplush much.
i'd say what's chipping away at those who support effective regulation are the small, but powerful groups that vocally oppose ANY regulation.
i'm curious though - how does "meaningless regulation" chip away at the freedom? if it's meaningless, it must not do much to impede ownership...so?
what words do libs ban? i'm not even sure that paragraph makes sense.
guns enter cities like newark not because of ineffective NJ laws, but because NJ isn't a state with 200 foot walls around it's border.
much of the guns recovered from crimes in the cities in NJ have been traced back to a very few number of originations. isn't that funny?
and if penalties were heavy for illegal possession (like they are in NYC),
they should make it easier to own a gun legally in nyc and also allow someone to carry legally after jumping through some reasonable hoops. they should do the same in nj. these laws are unreasonable and yet they exist and people that promote them expect people living in places without them to bend to the will of people who want to push unreasonable laws on them. you cant really keep repeating that pro-gun people are fighting against "reasonable" laws when laws and practices currently exist in areas that are unreasonable.
what we have in nj isnt reasonable. thats a good sign to others that if you let the gun control group get anything, they will keep pushing and pushing.
NYC doesn't want more guns, legal or otherwise. It's why Plaxico did time and Bloomberg challenges gun nut pols around the US. We're more civilized in this area than yahoos in Mississippi. If it's such a big issue in your life then MOVE and own 500 guns in Alabama and leave sane people alone.
NYC doesn't want more guns, legal or otherwise. It's why Plaxico did time and Bloomberg challenges gun nut pols around the US. We're more civilized in this area than yahoos in Mississippi. If it's such a big issue in your life then MOVE and own 500 guns in Alabama and leave sane people alone.
yeah, you think being more civil is the reason? you think the mayors in large cities push gun control because they feel their population is so civil? is that also why bloomberg has police stop and frisk over 500k civilized nyc residents yearly? is that why bloomberg said "I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world."
NYC doesn't want more guns, legal or otherwise. It's why Plaxico did time and Bloomberg challenges gun nut pols around the US. We're more civilized in this area than yahoos in Mississippi. If it's such a big issue in your life then MOVE and own 500 guns in Alabama and leave sane people alone.
It’s more civil for the police to stop, frisk, and often arrest innocent people so the cop can make a quota for the month? An Eyewitness News investigation talks to a police officer who reveals the pressure they are under to make quotas | 7online.com
Jim Hoffer
NEW YORK (WABC) -- An Eyewitness News investigation talks to a police officer who reveals the pressure they are under to make quotas.
When Officer Adil Polanco dreamed of becoming a cop, it was out of a desire to help people not, he says, to harass them.
"I'm not going to keep arresting innocent people, I'm not going to keep searching people for no reason, I'm not going to keep writing people for no reason, I'm tired of this," said Adil Polanco, an NYPD Officer.
Officer Polanco says One Police Plaza's obsession with keeping crime stats down has gotten out of control. He claims Precinct Commanders relentlessly pressure cops on the street to make more arrests, and give out more summonses, all to show headquarters they have a tight grip on their neighborhoods.
"Our primary job is not to help anybody, our primary job is not to assist anybody, our primary job is to get those numbers and come back with them?" said Officer Polanco.
"They have to meet a quota. One arrest and twenty summonses," said Officer Polanco. http://news.yahoo.com/special-report...075206659.html
It’s more civil to use taxpayer money to run stings in other states? “The 'sting' was a waste of money that misleads Americans and did nothing to reduce crime," wrote John Lott Jr., an economist who writes about guns, in a column on FoxNews.com. "Talk about an aggressive publicity stunt."
Is it more civil to try to prevent chronic pain sufferers from getting medication. That’s what Bloomberg is in effect doing. This proposal is idiotic and cruel even for Bloomberg. The percentage of pain patients who become addicted to drugs is extremely small The percentage of addiction in patients of patients with no history of abuse is only 0.19%. Even if the physician does not pre-screen the patient the addiction rate is only 3.27%.
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"The incidence of addiction in patients with no history of abuse was only 0.19% compared to 3.27% for non-preselected patients.
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If the results of the study are correct, the physician can be relatively certain that use of opioids for treatment of chronic pain will lead to addiction in a low percentage of patients.
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Use of opioid analgesic therapy has a place in the treatment of chronic pain. It reduces pain and permits improved function in daily activities. This study provides some reassurance that the incidence of addiction or aberrant behaviors may be low."
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Excerpts from
Opioid Addiction in the Treatment of Chronic Pain: How Bad Is It?
Janet Thoman Green
Ref. Fishbain, et al, Pain Med 2008 May-June; 9(4):444-59
Bloomberg is one of the most despicable politicians who ever lived. He wants to turn NYC, and the country into a nanny state where the government not only strictly controls guns but the amount of sugar people consume.
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