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Hey Rambo there are over 200 million guns floating around in the US, I'm going out on a limb here, but I think most of the time the criminal kills the victims rather than the other way around. What gives? Everybody who wants a gun has one and the criminals are still winning. More than likely a person is killed or raped by someone who knows them well enough to not be afraid that you will shoot them first.
I have worked with men in Maximum security prison, youth offenders, last year I was mulling over an offer to work with sex offenders or criminally insane inmates who are never going to see the outside. Sounds like a blast. In my old neighborhood about one person a week gets killed and more than gets shot and its not “the big city” When I go to my family reunions there’s always at least one person who’s done time for murder or somebody who just got out after twenty years.
These kinds of guys don’t really want to kill you; they just don’t care if you get killed in the process of them getting what they want. One of my relatives shot a bunch of people after doing eight years for murder another relative was killed by a guy who got out that very day. You best bet is to keep packing your heat around those soccer moms, skate rats and mall kids in the burbs.
FIRST, PLEASE POINT TO AND CITE EVIDENCE TO STATS WHERE FIREARM OWNERS ARE USUALLY KILLED WHEN THEY'RE IN AN ALTERCATION WITH A CRIMINAL?
YOU ALL KEEP MAKING BASELESS CLAIMS AFTER CLAIMS TO SUPPORT A FLAWED ARGUMENT.
LOL have you ever watched the the TV show The First 48? Do you watch the news? These people kill for the hell of it, and there are plenty of instances when they have done so after they've gotten what they wanted. Your solution to the crime problem is to accept it because you think criminals are winning? Should we stop prosecuting and fighting a drug war because a lot of drugs are still getting through? Should we stop fighting the war on terror because we're still being attracted? It does not matter if some of the criminals do not want to kill people; what matters is that some do. Are you going to wait until it's too late to find out what kind of criminal is raping, robbing, and breaking into your home? Are you so pig headed that you refuse to recognize how completely idiotic that sounds?
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A couple. Are you going to be the one to tell the little kids who get raped that they could have prevented it if they'd had a gun?
How about the surgeons sewing them up and repairing the damage? Are you the person who is going to pop into the operating rooms and say, "You know, Doc. If that two-year old had a Colt this never would have happened."
I think they should start castrating and it just might send a powerful message.
The best way to prevent rape is to put into the minds of males that rape is NOT an option and NO means NO.
Any questions?
Yet many men don't get this answer NO goes with sex and other things. This tells me some men didn't have a decent dad or mom who showed them how to respect women.
When do the criminals succeed and when do they fail? In which situations who has firearms and who doesn't?
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Everybody who wants a gun has one and the criminals are still winning.
How do you define "winning"? What is "winning" and what is "losing"?
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Originally Posted by thriftylefty
More than likely a person is killed or raped by someone who knows them well enough to not be afraid that you will shoot them first.
This is completely based upon the personality of the victim. Some people will shoot anyone who tries to rape them. Some people won't. It doesn't matter if some people won't shoot someone they know. It also doesn't matter if some people don't carry a gun. We, as individuals, make the choices we make and IF you "have it in you" employing a gun against your potential rapist (whether you know them or not) is a proven method to prevent or stop the rape.
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Originally Posted by thriftylefty
In my old neighborhood about one person a week gets killed and more than gets shot and its not “the big city” When I go to my family reunions there’s always at least one person who’s done time for murder or somebody who just got out after twenty years.
How does people getting shot invalidate the assertion that guns can be employed to protect yourself against rape? Doesn't the fact that people are getting shot prove that guns can be used to stop others? Doesn't that same fact support that law-abiding citizens shouldn't give up that advantage that criminals successfully employ every week?
It also sounds like you have a family with criminals in it. I assert this makes you biased. Why would someone who is related to criminals want anyone to be able to wound or kill their family members? I think you should consider your perspective and how it might differ from people who aren't related to criminals.
When do the criminals succeed and when do they fail? In which situations who has firearms and who doesn't?
How do you define "winning"? What is "winning" and what is "losing"?
This is completely based upon the personality of the victim. Some people will shoot anyone who tries to rape them. Some people won't. It doesn't matter if some people won't shoot someone they know. It also doesn't matter if some people don't carry a gun. We, as individuals, make the choices we make and IF you "have it in you" employing a gun against your potential rapist (whether you know them or not) is a proven method to prevent or stop the rape.
How does people getting shot invalidate the assertion that guns can be employed to protect yourself against rape? Doesn't the fact that people are getting shot prove that guns can be used to stop others? Doesn't that same fact support that law-abiding citizens shouldn't give up that advantage that criminals successfully employ every week?
It also sounds like you have a family with criminals in it. I assert this makes you biased. Why would someone who is related to criminals want anyone to be able to wound or kill their family members? I think you should consider your perspective and how it might differ from people who aren't related to criminals.
thriftylefty is making things up, and presenting them as fact in order to support his argument.
FIRST, PLEASE POINT TO AND CITE EVIDENCE TO STATS WHERE FIREARM OWNERS ARE USUALLY KILLED WHEN THEY'RE IN AN ALTERCATION WITH A CRIMINAL?
Every murdered relative whose funeral I attended were known to carry. Haven't you ever heard "walk softly but carry a big stick" rely on your brain and not your gun
Every murdered relative whose funeral I attended were known to carry. Haven't you ever heard "walk softly but carry a big stick" rely on your brain and not your gun
Post some proof? You made a huge statement that firearm owners are usually killed when they're in an altercation with a criminal. You said that as if it was an epidemic going on across the country, but when pressed for citations and proof to back it up, you then claim it's only been a few of you murdered relatives... How many of your relatives have been murdered by the way?
If you had any proof, you'd posted it.
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Reason: personal attack
There are many possibilities your vague statement leaves available.
Were your relatives armed when they were murdered? How did the murder happen? Did they employ their gun? Did the person who murdered them have a gun? Were they outnumbered? I'm sure I'm forgetting many other possibilities but my point has been supported.
So many holes in your argument left open. Furthermore, absolutely none of what you are saying can be verified as true. Finally, I could say that every single person in my family has been attacked and successfully defended their life with their firearm. Does this matter? Nope.
Neither statement has anything to do with invalidating or validating the assertion that having a gun is a good way to protect yourself against rape. Your job as the anti-gun person has to prove that you can't use a gun to protect yourself against rape. You can. You grab your gun and warn, wound, or kill your rapist. This deters or stops the rape. So the assertion stands. Nothing you have said invalidates that argument.
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Originally Posted by thriftylefty
Haven't you ever heard "walk softly but carry a big stick" rely on your brain and not your gun
The "stick" is the gun. I see no incongruity with that expression and the pro-gun assertion.
There are many possibilities your vague statement leaves available.
Were your relatives armed when they were murdered? How did the murder happen? Did they employ their gun? Did the person who murdered them have a gun? Were they outnumbered? I'm sure I'm forgetting many other possibilities but my point has been supported.
So many holes in your argument left open. Furthermore, absolutely none of what you are saying can be verified as true. Finally, I could say that every single person in my family has been attacked and successfully defended their life with their firearm. Does this matter? Nope.
Neither statement has anything to do with invalidating or validating the assertion that having a gun is a good way to protect yourself against rape. Your job as the anti-gun person has to prove that you can't use a gun to protect yourself against rape. You can. You grab your gun and warn, wound, or kill your rapist. This deters or stops the rape. So the assertion stands. Nothing you have said invalidates that argument.
The "stick" is the gun. I see no incongruity with that expression and the pro-gun assertion.
Post some proof? You made a huge statement that firearm owners are usually killed when they're in an altercation with a criminal. You said that as if it was an epidemic going on across the country, but when pressed for citations and proof to back it up, you then claim it's only been a few of you murdered relatives... How many of your relatives have been murdered by the way?
If you had any proof, you'd posted it.
you provide proof
down here on the grouind guns are not so sexy , did You know you soil your pants when you get shot?
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