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And this is what it pretty much all boils down to. That IS why we have the 2A. That is why arguments that "we don't need a 30rd mag to hunt or for home defense" are pretty much dead on arrival. Although I would take issue with the premise of that argument, it doesn't matter anyway, because that is not what the 2A is about. The 2A is about having the appropriate tools for the citizens to form a well-regulated militia and protect their communities from a tyrannical government. That may make some people uncomfortable, some people may see the concept as outdated or antiquated, but that is what it's there for.
Please note that I didn't say that was a valid reason in this day and age, { even though I persoanlly believe it's as important today as ever }..... Let me play devil's advocate for a moment and let's just say I agree that we no longer need to be armed to keep the government at bay, i.e. the 2A is obsolete in the context of it's original purpose. Even if that is true, it doesn't change the fact that the 2A remains law and continues to enshrine a Right of the people. If you think it's obsolete in this year of 2014, great! Do something about it. Change the amendment. Repeal it. Until then, We The People have a Right to the type of arms needed to form a well-regulated militia.
We don't need to be armed to keep the government at bay....
[quote=dv1033;35748884]Our second amendment is out dated. We are no longer a mostly rural, frontier society surrounded by more powerful countries holding territory inside the present day continental US. We have plenty of law enforcement agencies and a powerful military so vigilantism, protection against native Americans, and against hostile nations is taken care of. Not sure exactly the right course of action but we can strive towards more balance.[/quote]
This is my country and I live by the rulebook. You get to sit on your hands.
Amendments need to be revisited. Telecommunications and technology has certainly made us take a look at free speech in our modern era.
Why are you afraid?
Because liberty and freedoms are always traded upon and rarely if ever restored..
We have been compromising with you and your idea of gun control since 1865...It has not worked nor has your side every stopped..
The Sullivan Act of 1911
The National Firearms Act of 1934
The Gun Control Act of 1968
The Hughes Amendment of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986
The Assault Weapons Ban of 1994
The latest attempt of moronic laws..
It is not a conspiracy, it is a naked attempt to disarm the American people, and you sticking your head in the sand does not change this fact.
No it wasn't and no it's not. The 2nd amendment is about defense, plain and simple. Colonial America and frontier America were a much different place as I've outlined earlier.
Every American armed revolution post independence has been crushed. In our modern society the pen is mightier.
The Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 was very very successful.
Because liberty and freedoms are always traded upon and rarely if ever restored..
We have been compromising with you and your idea of gun control since 1865...It has not worked nor has your side every stopped..
The Sullivan Act of 1911
The National Firearms Act of 1934
The Gun Control Act of 1968
The Hughes Amendment of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986
The Assault Weapons Ban of 1994
The latest attempt of moronic laws..
It is not a conspiracy, it is a naked attempt to disarm the American people, and you sticking your head in the sand does not change this fact.
There have always been restrictions on gun ownership dating back to the birth of the nation. In the late 1700's there was a ban on the possession of a LOADED gun in your house in Boston. Gun powder had to be stored away from one's private home.
The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. We do not rely on state militias in 2014 for our freedom from the federal government. And let's remember how inefficent those militias acutally were....
The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. The amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.
More basically, the idea that unregulated private gun ownership and trade protects us against tyranny, or that gun controls would threaten tyranny to us all, is baseless and utter nonsense. Democracies around the world regulate guns, preserve freedoms, and achieve firearm murder rates that are a tiny fraction of the rates suffered in the United States.
Owing a gun does not take your liberty. . .nor does the govt taking your guns violate your liberty. A possession is not linked to your liberty in any meaningful way (based on the western world). Govt across the world who promote personal liberty often ban various possessions: Guns, Child Pornography, meth, cocaine.
the idea that your liberty to own a possession supersedes my desire to be safe is .. .arrogant, at the very least.
Remember these three principles as they fit your creed well.
Crime stats nationality have been going down, in same border states have a higher rate of crime do to the amount of illegal immigrate that flood into this nation..
It is not scare tactics, those are called facts and they are real and true regardless of if you agree with them or not..
It is not fear but honesty that we are bring to the table, emotionalism is the only thing your side brings.
You didn't really say anything I didn't....
Crime is higher or worse in certain spots. Border states, especially areas close to the border
are worse because of the war on drugs and actions of the cartels not illegal immigration.
Because liberty and freedoms are always traded upon and rarely if ever restored..
We have been compromising with you and your idea of gun control since 1865...It has not worked nor has your side every stopped..
The Sullivan Act of 1911
The National Firearms Act of 1934
The Gun Control Act of 1968
The Hughes Amendment of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986
The Assault Weapons Ban of 1994
The latest attempt of moronic laws..
It is not a conspiracy, it is a naked attempt to disarm the American people, and you sticking your head in the sand does not change this fact.
You're.right, I'm only distracting you so I can grab your guns, gunlover....
Not at all, that's something you gun lovers have to rationalize in order to believe you're own rhetoric. Cute but sad. But please...explain how armed citizens are holding our government back.... Please, I'm interested.
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