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Elizabeth Warren is old, but she is completely in step with our younger voters. Whether she runs or not, she's a better, tougher, more disciplined Howard Dean, and she's the real voice of the young now. The kids want security. They want a government they feel won't abandon them, and a government that will give them the same kind of security they see their parents and grandparents now enjoy. And they are not at all sure right now they will ever have that kind of safety net.
Whoever gives it to them has them for the rest of their lives.
They don't want a bigger government if a small government will give them what they want, but if takes a big government to do it, then they will vote for a big government.
It's all perception. The Democrats haven't done much of a better job of it than the Republicans, but the young perceive the Democrats as the party that is willing to accomplish their goals. Rightly or wrongly, that's how they believe, and that's how they will vote.
I tend to agree with you. And it's too bad, because once they get what they want we are all going to suffer. Eventually they will learn their lesson, but considerable damage could be done before they do.
The thing is, their parents didn't get their security from big government. They got it from a smaller government letting the private sector do its thing. They can try to vote in a government that will use regulations and taxes to give them that same security, but it can't last. The government is funded by the private sector. The more the government does, the more funding it needs. And the more the government takes from the private sector, the less able the private sector is to grow. It is a downward cycle.
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Bill de Blasio’s win in New York’s Democratic primary isn’t a local story. It’s part of a vast shift that could upend three decades of American political thinking.
Hillary starts the 2016 race with formidable strengths. After a widely applauded term as secretary of state, her approval rating is 10 points higher than it was when she began running in 2008. Her vote to authorize Iraq will be less of a liability this time. Her campaign cannot possibly be as poorly managed. And she won’t have to run against Barack Obama.
That was obviously when they were truly Republicans and not a party hijacked by extremists...these current extremists are not much different from The John Birch Society.
They lack the intellect of the Birchers, who had almost none.
Well...she opposes the NDAA and Patriot Act. She was flip-flop on SOPA/PIPA. She supports gun control and raising taxes. She does NOT support the legalization of marijuana. Supports SSM and Abortion(even tax payer funded).
Not as bad as some democrats, but I disagree with all the Bold.
I'm sure she'd be better than Hillary though.
I really enjoyed the article OP! It was interesting to me in regards to the classifications of generations and the political classification of the same. I am 34 so am a millennial to political pollsters (born in 79 was a child during the Reagan years but was not witness to the actual liberal Democrats which preceded him so I have grown up with a moderate Democratic party and have lived through ups and downs in the economy, especially starting in 2001 when I lost my job after 9/11 and it took a long time to rebound from that loss. I do not trust government and I also don't trust businesses/corporations, which was mentioned in the article. In many ways I do think our generation has more of a middle of the road view of economics and government in particular since we know, unlike traditional liberals, that government is not the key to prosperity and cannot fix our problems, and we also know that though capitalism has its place, it is not the golden scepter that many on the right feel it is, we understand the need for minimum wages, a non-corrupt, functioning labor movement, and fiscal responsibility. I have never thought that I would get Social Security, but I still do not want to privatize it because I just don't trust financial planners or investors to do the right thing at this time. If we could get more regulation on wall street and bring back those regulations that were previously on the books, I would consider privatizing SS but not right now as things are too volatile and I know too many boomers who lost more than half their wealth during this financial crisis and who will have to really rely more on SS now.
But the article is interesting and I am always glad that those my age and younger place less of an emphasis on social issues because I hope that eventually, politicians will revert back to "public servants" and focus on the economy and helping our country prosper economically versus stupid side issues like gay marriage or even abortion or religious mumbo jumbo. Until then, I can admit that I am more left that right but I consider myself a moderate and I am more than willing to vote for a republican if they can leave out religion, blaming the status of education and crime or racial minorities, and not try to espouse too much libertarianism.
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Originally Posted by banjomike
The right has deluded themselves into believing Obama is a far left socialist.
As that article mentioned, the fact is Bill Clinton took over what was once solid conservative territory. He turned a party of liberals into moderate conservatives who wanted smaller government but didn't buy into the Republican social agendas.
Obama is only a notch more liberal than Clinton. The GOP has forgotten the real liberal of the 21st Century, Howard Dean. Dean flamed out early in 2004, but his strident call for a return to liberal policies seized the Gen.X kids who were voting for the first time. It was Dean, not Kerry nor Obama that started it and developed all the local ground work. Obama just took what Dean began and ran with it, developing it further.
Dean's inspiration has never faded with the kids. Those Gen X kids are now approaching 40, and they have voted heavily in the past 4 elections. They are the real social leaders of those who have followed them. The Millenials are now in their 30's, and they, and the Gen Y group who followed them have been profoundly influenced by the kids who voted for the first time in 2000 and 2004.
Reagan, as the article mentioned, is nothing more than someone they heard about. Only the Gen X group knows anything about him, and they were little kids when he was President. Calling for a return to Reagan is the same as calling for a return of Hoover to them; they know nothing about him or Hoover. They're only old dead Presidents.
Elizabeth Warren is old, but she is completely in step with our younger voters. Whether she runs or not, she's a better, tougher, more disciplined Howard Dean, and she's the real voice of the young now. The kids want security. They want a government they feel won't abandon them, and a government that will give them the same kind of security they see their parents and grandparents now enjoy. And they are not at all sure right now they will ever have that kind of safety net.
Whoever gives it to them has them for the rest of their lives.
They don't want a bigger government if a small government will give them what they want, but if takes a big government to do it, then they will vote for a big government.
It's all perception. The Democrats haven't done much of a better job of it than the Republicans, but the young perceive the Democrats as the party that is willing to accomplish their goals. Rightly or wrongly, that's how they believe, and that's how they will vote.
ITA with the above, especially the bold but not so much on Elizabeth Warren. I know of her but not enough to comment about her but I'll take this thread as an opportunity to do some research on her.
And FWIW, I LOVED Howard Dean. I was more to the left back in 2000 and 2004 and I remember him and agreed with a lot of what he was about back then. And FWIW, I also have never missed an election and voting, unlike many older people I know who only vote during presidential election years, I vote in every.single.election. So I feel in many ways, us millenials are more politically involved than the older generations were or are today.
Elizabeth Warren is a determined woman and I would vote for her in a heartbeat. She does resonate with the new generation of voters that are so disillusioned with the status quo and the opportunities for them that are diminishing.
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Originally Posted by banjomike
Gen X kids are now approaching 40, and they have voted heavily in the past 4 elections. They are the real social leaders of those who have followed them. The Millenials are now in their 30's, and they, and the Gen Y group who followed them have been profoundly influenced by the kids who voted for the first time in 2000 and 2004.
Elizabeth Warren is old, but she is completely in step with our younger voters. Whether she runs or not, she's a better, tougher, more disciplined Howard Dean, and she's the real voice of the young now. The kids want security. They want a government they feel won't abandon them, and a government that will give them the same kind of security they see their parents and grandparents now enjoy. And they are not at all sure right now they will ever have that kind of safety net.
Whoever gives it to them has them for the rest of their lives.
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc
When I was in my school years, music, art. foreign language, in other words, cultural and artistic classes were not ever in jeopardy of being eliminated. We had free school lunches if a student needed them an no one was fighting to cut the budget for food. College was way more affordable and we never even wondered if we would not have the opportunity to go if we chose to. Wall Street was not determining our future and anything seemed attainable with work and perserverence. This generation is facing an alternate reality and I really feel for them. Their chances do not lie within the status quo at all. For their survival, they are going to have get seriously radical by voting to do something about this corporate paradise that they have inherited. The wealth and income gap is terrifying and it is increasing as we type. Young people are very aware of this.
I'm 41, smack-dab in the middle of Gen X, and can say with certainty that what you folks say here is the absolute truth. Even in the late 70s and early 80s, when I was in school, there was plenty of funding for art, music, field trips, all sorts of things. Even afternoon milk. These days, students are lucky if schools have any of that. Tuition at my local college went from $2400 a year in 1993 to $8000 a year in 2013... and books from jumped from 30 bucks apiece to nearly 200. In my parents' time, working your way through college with a part-time job was very attainable, while my peers' sons and daughters graduate with debt rivaling a mortgage in size. Meanwhile, secure jobs that pay a middle-class existence are much harder to find.
The next generation has been given a raw deal in a lot of ways, and they know it. They're much more politically vocal and active than my generation was at their age. Although we're active now, did Gen X lead Gen Y, or vice versa? It's kind of hard to say. Maybe we came to the same realizations together. Either way, it feels like we're at a crossroads in our country's direction, and if we want our tomorrows to be more promising than our yesterdays have been, getting involved is imperative.
Many of the young people I know wholeheartedly support Elizabeth Warren, and so do I.
Warren would be an excellent candidate who would only gain support from publicity, which is exactly why the Dems will do everything they can to suppress her and keep shoving Hilary in our faces.
Elizabeth Warren makes too much sense to be a contender. This is the state of American politics.
Hopfully maybe Warren is the Democrat that the party needs. Someone who actually fights for the middle class, instead of just talking about fighting for the middle class and throwing concessions to gay marriage and illegal immigration and calling it a day while bombing other countries. So far, Warren is the ONLY person in Congress (AFAIK) to actually fight the Fed, not Ron Paul's toothless "Audit the Fed" bill which would have served very little purpose except to show us something we already know.
jmo Ron Paul was controlled opposition.
hopefully younger generations realize the criminality of Hank Paulson, goldmansux.com and Jaime Dimon.
I am not milennial but I sure know what egregious acts were committed by these criminal felons.
btw Paulson was recently spewing more bullcrap on Charlie Rose. Charlie Rose is losing his base audience. The people do NOT need to hear from Paulson, he needs to shut up and retire to New zealand. pretty hideously ugly to look at as well.
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I'm 41, smack-dab in the middle of Gen X, and can say with certainty that what you folks say here is the absolute truth. Even in the late 70s and early 80s, when I was in school, there was plenty of funding for art, music, field trips, all sorts of things. Even afternoon milk. These days, students are lucky if schools have any of that. Tuition at my local college went from $2400 a year in 1993 to $8000 a year in 2013... and books from jumped from 30 bucks apiece to nearly 200. In my parents' time, working your way through college with a part-time job was very attainable, while my peers' sons and daughters graduate with debt rivaling a mortgage in size. Meanwhile, secure jobs that pay a middle-class existence are much harder to find.
The next generation has been given a raw deal in a lot of ways, and they know it. They're much more politically vocal and active than my generation was at their age. Although we're active now, did Gen X lead Gen Y, or vice versa? It's kind of hard to say. Maybe we came to the same realizations together. Either way, it feels like we're at a crossroads in our country's direction, and if we want our tomorrows to be more promising than our yesterdays have been, getting involved is imperative.
Many of the young people I know wholeheartedly support Elizabeth Warren, and so do I.
Rep to you and good for you for being proactive and supporting a representative that actually fights to make a difference for the average American.
I tend to agree with you. And it's too bad, because once they get what they want we are all going to suffer. Eventually they will learn their lesson, but considerable damage could be done before they do.
The thing is, their parents didn't get their security from big government. They got it from a smaller government letting the private sector do its thing. They can try to vote in a government that will use regulations and taxes to give them that same security, but it can't last. The government is funded by the private sector. The more the government does, the more funding it needs. And the more the government takes from the private sector, the less able the private sector is to grow. It is a downward cycle.
I don't think the size of government had much to do with it. Our government grew hugely after WWII, and began meeting social needs and demands in ways it had never done before. Our tax burden increased accordingly, but the greater social stability was worth the cost to most of our citizens.
Our government is smaller now than it has been in many decades, and we all take for granted and expect, to some degree, the same high level of services we have received for all our lives at the same time. Our infrastructure also grew huge in the 50's and 60's, and we all depend on it now for much of our living and way of life.
With the costs of everything increasing, the balance between fewer services vs. the cost of maintaining the most vital is our most contentious problem. That we are emerging slowly from the biggest economic crash in over 60 years only makes everything even more contentious that it would have ordinarily been.
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Rep to you and good for you for being proactive and supporting a representative that actually fights to make a difference for the average American.
