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Old 04-03-2008, 11:45 AM
 
Location: PA
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How about this? The United States does not HAVE TO BE IN THESE REIGIONS. Frankly if oil companies would like to "do business" then maybe they should work something out with the countries government (IRAN, IRAQ, S. Arabia) for security of their product. Mobil can fund its own security force clearly they have the funds to do it if wish to do business in this part of the world. Our political leaders have no business making deals with other nations to secure land or police the world. So I say we should get out of the region. There is no American interest or real threat of OUR freedom. I don’t see any Muslims here in America demanding special rights and beating Christians in the street in our country. Now if and when that day happens I can assure you will have no problem defending OUR freedom on our soil. I don’t think we need to motivate individuals to commit terror based on our political or religious beliefs in that region. Just as I would prefer not have communists pushing their views or putting bases on our land and doing business with our government. So first you must understand our enemy and what our enemy really wants from us. If they want to have us all convert to Islam that will never happen. I will be the first in line to grab arms and defend our country if they "INVADE US". Reality is that isn't going to happen. So what they really want is to be left alone and I'm FINE with that, because AMERICAS FREEDOM is not what we are fighting for. Americans freedom is the constitution and that is different topic. If good people in that region want freedom they have plenty of guns to weed out the bad people for freedom and good government. Our government is protecting oil doing business with murders, third world nation dictators which is why you have terrorist coming from these countries to kill us. If Americas "friendship nations" are scum bags you will have the people in those nation with religious and economic problems seek you out for Revenge and Change. I’m not blaming the average Joe who goes to work and lives in America I blame this multinational UN type governments that are not American in nature and completely bent on New World Order. 911 changed nothing only giving our government more power to BIG Brother our freedoms and liberty. JUST GET OUT OF the ARAB countries I don’t care if they kill themselves or how they wish to govern themselves.

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Old 04-03-2008, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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L&JFA - I think you had several very appropriate points in your last post. Unfortunately your apparent inability to use fundamental grammar and a spell checker makes it very difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Please, I am not criticizing your ideas but I am trying to encourage you to present them in a more easily comprehendible manner. I suggest getting a Basic English grammar book and studying the structural framework of our language. I also suggest using a spell checker to teach you the correct spelling of the English language.
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:32 PM
 
Location: PA
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L&JFA - I think you had several very appropriate points in your last post. Unfortunately your apparent inability to use fundamental grammar and a spell checker makes it very difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Please, I am not criticizing your ideas but I am trying to encourage you to present them in a more easily comprehendible manner. I suggest getting a Basic English grammar book and studying the structural framework of our language. I also suggest using a spell checker to teach you the correct spelling of the English language.

I'll use spell and check and triple check my wording before posting thanks.
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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I have written on another thread the call out to kill all non muslims is going right now in Europe. People are scared to speak up and even the news chanels are not having freedom of speech anymore because they are scared of what can happen. In todays paper in Europe there was an article that the BBC has asked comedians to stop making jokes about muslims and imams, pastor and rabbi's is allowed because only the muslim extremists are preaching in their mosques for a total muslim world and all who will not convert will be the anemy and dealt accordingly. Like this boy already had to give up his life for freedom. More killings have happened for similar reasons and will happen again if nothing will be done.
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:36 PM
 
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I'll use spell and check and triple check my wording before posting thanks.
Which icon is for spelling because as a foreigner I need it.
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:43 PM
 
Location: PA
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L&JFA - I think you had several very appropriate points in your last post. Unfortunately your apparent inability to use fundamental grammar and a spell checker makes it very difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Please, I am not criticizing your ideas but I am trying to encourage you to present them in a more easily comprehendible manner. I suggest getting a Basic English grammar book and studying the structural framework of our language. I also suggest using a spell checker to teach you the correct spelling of the English language.
How is that... :-)
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:00 PM
 
Location: PA
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I have written on another thread the call out to kill all non muslims is going right now in Europe. People are scared to speak up and even the news chanels are not having freedom of speech anymore because they are scared of what can happen. In todays paper in Europe there was an article that the BBC has asked comedians to stop making jokes about muslims and imams, pastor and rabbi's is allowed because only the muslim extremists are preaching in their mosques for a total muslim world and all who will not convert will be the anemy and dealt accordingly. Like this boy already had to give up his life for freedom. More killings have happened for similar reasons and will happen again if nothing will be done.
Yeah England is different they have so many they let in the country to be a socialist country and they dont have the balls to stand up to them. Plus they have no guns. Let them try that hear we will see, in like NH or Montana hell even NY.
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:41 PM
 
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Yeah England is different they have so many they let in the country to be a socialist country and they dont have the balls to stand up to them. Plus they have no guns. Let them try that hear we will see, in like NH or Montana hell even NY.
The scary thing is, they are saying horrible things like this in US mosques. Long before 9/11.....remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? It was based from a mosque I believe was in Brooklyn? Being in New Jersey, I'm sure you remember more of the particulars then I.
At anyrate, these Imams are here, and they are preaching hatred just like in Europe and in the middle East. They are just not so upfront about it, yet.
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Australia
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Campy, when you actually WENT to a mosque and heard all these Imams 'preaching hatred', did you have any difficulty with the language ?
How MANY did you attend to ascertain that it was widespread and not just a few isolated radicals ?

When you surveyed the rightwing fundamentalist Christian churches did you encounter any stereotyping or any sermons denigrating Muslims and their beliefs ?

Given the difficulty in getting around the 2000+ mosques in the country, were you able to find any reliable, verifiable reports from others
that hatred and incitement to violence are being preached by more than a tiny minority ?
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:23 PM
 
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Campy, when you actually WENT to a mosque and heard all these Imams 'preaching hatred', did you have any difficulty with the language ?
How MANY did you attend to ascertain that it was widespread and not just a few isolated radicals ?

When you surveyed the rightwing fundamentalist Christian churches did you encounter any stereotyping or any sermons denigrating Muslims and their beliefs ?

Given the difficulty in getting around the 2000+ mosques in the country, were you able to find any reliable, verifiable reports from others
that hatred and incitement to violence are being preached by more than a tiny minority ?
No, I don't believe that I have gotten around to visiting all mosques, quite unlike yourself I take it? What did you learn there? Since you must speak Arabic and/or Farsi perhaps you would like to tell us just what it is Al Jezeera reports on in addition to all that is said in the aforementioned mosques. Sadly, I can only go by information I've gotten off the internet, books, in newspapers, newsmagazines and television...... So please, enlighten

Oh, and fundamentalist Christians while enjoying preaching about the hell that awaits everyone else on Earth but themselves, do not call for their members to hurry the rest of the US along to that fiery destination.

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