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Old 09-23-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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There's no discernible difference between what will be in place for Obamacare and what was implemented for Romneycare (and still is in place).

So where are the horror stories about what Romneycare did to businesses and how it devastated families? Overall, it was a big success, so how is Obamacare going to be different?
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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There's no discernible difference between what will be in place for Obamacare and what was implemented for Romneycare (and still is in place).

So where are the horror stories about what Romneycare did to businesses and how it devastated families? Overall, it was a big success, so how is Obamacare going to be different?
The stories from the liberal media, about the bad results of liberal programs? NEver exist. Ever.

If you really want to know, however, you're free to dig up the results... I promise you they are completely unimpressive, if you take "impress" as being something positive.
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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There's no discernible difference between what will be in place for Obamacare and what was implemented for Romneycare (and still is in place).

So where are the horror stories about what Romneycare did to businesses and how it devastated families? Overall, it was a big success, so how is Obamacare going to be different?

Educate yourself on Romneys plan....he was not for it...

Analyzing Romney's Leadership On Health Care - Kaiser Health News

Read and then discuss....
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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Romneycare and Obamacare is NOT the same thing..

Romneycare did NOT lower full time standards to 30 hours for example..

Just stop trying to compare the two, they aren't even close.
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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WRONG! They are different.

from Obamacare and Romneycare Are Not Identical | RealClearPolitics

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Romney worked to promote flexibility; Obama and the Democrats imposed uniformity. Romney worked to limit mandates in Massachusetts health care; Obama and a Democratic Congress threw a host of goodies, such as an end to copayments for "preventive care," into the Affordable Care Act. Employers will have to pay for service for which workers used to chip in. This administration has refined passing the hat. With Congress, the president enacted mandates -- "free" birth control, adult children's being able to stay on their parents' plans up to age 26 -- for which Washington pols do not have to pay. They don't even have to pretend that Congress will have to pay in the future. The private sector pays.
"If you've got health insurance," Obama said of his plan, "it doesn't mean a government takeover."
It's a government takeover without government fiscal responsibility."


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There's no discernible difference between what will be in place for Obamacare and what was implemented for Romneycare (and still is in place).

So where are the horror stories about what Romneycare did to businesses and how it devastated families? Overall, it was a big success, so how is Obamacare going to be different?
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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There's no discernible difference between what will be in place for Obamacare and what was implemented for Romneycare (and still is in place).

So where are the horror stories about what Romneycare did to businesses and how it devastated families? Overall, it was a big success, so how is Obamacare going to be different?
So you honestly think that what works for a small demographic (Mass.) will automatically work for an entire nation? That is like claiming that a successful business model in a small farming town should automatically be successful nationwide.

You have to adjust models to suit the demographics in which they live, which is the point of pushing for more responsibility at a state level and less at a federal. That seems to be a concept that goes over a lot of people's heads.
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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So you honestly think that what works for a small demographic (Mass.) will automatically work for an entire nation? That is like claiming that a successful business model in a small farming town should automatically be successful nationwide.

You have to adjust models to suit the demographics in which they live, which is the point of pushing for more responsibility at a state level and less at a federal. That seems to be a concept that goes over a lot of people's heads.
That's really just an excuse for Romneycare. This crap about one being a state program and the other being on the federal level is a load of bull. Romney thought the program would be good for the whole country. He didn't change his tune until he ran for President.

The real difference between the two plans is whom they're named after.
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:43 AM
 
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That's really just an excuse for Romneycare. This crap about one being a state program and the other being on the federal level is a load of bull. Romney thought the program would be good for the whole country. He didn't change his tune until he ran for President.

The real difference between the two plans is whom they're named after.
I am not talking about what Romney said, I am talking about the difference between the program in mass. and the federal program. What is good for a specific state is almost never going to be good for the entire nation.

I disagreed strongly with Romney's claim that his program would work nationwide. Please respond to what I said when quoting me, not what a politician said years ago.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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I am not talking about what Romney said, I am talking about the difference between the program in mass. and the federal program. What is good for a specific state is almost never going to be good for the entire nation.

I disagreed strongly with Romney's claim that his program would work nationwide. Please respond to what I said when quoting me, not what a politician said years ago.
The fact is: NOTHING imposed universally is ever going to work better than freedom of the individual.

Just ask the people who lived in state controlled... USSR, Cuba, North Korea, (and anywhere else you want).

State provision = shortages. It is universally true.
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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The fact is: NOTHING imposed universally is ever going to work better than freedom of the individual.

Just ask the people who lived in state controlled... USSR, Cuba, North Korea, (and anywhere else you want).

State provision = shortages. It is universally true.
...obviously, but a state controlled system will work better than a nationally controlled system. All government interaction causes deadweight loss. The question is whether or not that loss is a necessary evil.
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