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Old 11-22-2007, 12:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
From watching them leave constantly.

What is the troop strength of the US Army?

What is the troops strength of the USMC?
The Army has many more troops than the US Marines. Marines do 6-7 month tours of duty. Army does 12-15. The Army is the mainstay of the US military. The Marines have a higher rate of rotation due to shorter tours (which is in no way a good thing)
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Well if some primitive savage living in a cave can force the United States, the worlds largest and most powerful nation to expand its government, increase military spending which was already 17 times greater than that of Russia the worlds second largest military spender, change the manner of thinking of its entire population and make them subjects of abject fear, then I would say that is pretty damn impressive for a cave man.
U.S military spending is 4.06% of the GDP; that is 27th place for military spending as a percentage of GDP worldwide:
NationMaster - Expenditures > Percent of GDP (most recent) by country
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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U.S military spending is 4.06% of the GDP; that is 27th place for military spending as a percentage of GDP worldwide:
NationMaster - Expenditures > Percent of GDP (most recent) by country

We spend more dollars on military than the rest of the world combined.


Rest-of-World [all but USA] $500 billion 2004 est. [see Note 4]
United States $623 billion FY08 budget [see Note 6]

Note 4 - Non-US aggregate real expenditure on military worldwide in 2007 remained at approximately the 1998 level, about half a trillion dollars. US spending increased from about $280 billion to about $625 billion.


World Wide Military Expenditures
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Old 11-25-2007, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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We spend more dollars on military than the rest of the world combined.


Rest-of-World [all but USA] $500 billion 2004 est. [see Note 4]
United States $623 billion FY08 budget [see Note 6]

Note 4 - Non-US aggregate real expenditure on military worldwide in 2007 remained at approximately the 1998 level, about half a trillion dollars. US spending increased from about $280 billion to about $625 billion.


World Wide Military Expenditures
In dollars, of course. That's becasue the U.S. has more dollars (money). But as I already showed, the U.S. does not spend more when percentage of GDP is factored in.
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Old 11-25-2007, 03:14 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Sooooooo, what of the fact that the desertion rate was six times higher in 1944,how is that to be explained?

Also reenlistment is quite high,indeed it is very high in the Marines even in Iraq.

Enlistment goals are met by the Marines constantly as well.

Yet this is all ignored,odd....
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Old 11-25-2007, 04:02 AM
 
Location: At Sea....and Midwest....
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Sure. We all have breaking points. I have mine too.
Lets remember those who fought in the Second World War. They were "in for the DURATION". For those that had managed to survive the war in Europe, the quick end of the war in the Pacific brought huge relief, because they were going to be sent to invade Japan. Service in Korea was for the duration as well.
Vietnam was a one year tour.
Our military is in trouble now in terms of fighting manpower because of poor leadership years and years ago. Poor leadership from someone who 'loathed the military'. and unfortunately we reap what we sow.
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Old 11-25-2007, 04:07 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Sure. We all have breaking points. I have mine too.
Lets remember those who fought in the Second World War. They were "in for the DURATION". For those that had managed to survive the war in Europe, the quick end of the war in the Pacific brought huge relief, because they were going to be sent to invade Japan. Service in Korea was for the duration as well.
Vietnam was a one year tour.
Our military is in trouble now in terms of fighting manpower because of poor leadership years and years ago. Poor leadership from someone who 'loathed the military'. and unfortunately we reap what we sow.
Yep....but that leadership was SO good according to some,nevermind what was done to the military under his administration.
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Old 11-25-2007, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Sooooooo, what of the fact that the desertion rate was six times higher in 1944,how is that to be explained?

Also reenlistment is quite high,indeed it is very high in the Marines even in Iraq.

Enlistment goals are met by the Marines constantly as well.

Yet this is all ignored,odd....
Weeeeell, oz also odd you neglect to mention that the reenlistment bonuses and initial enlistment bonuses have gone up now to 20-30k to try to entice these individuals to stay for another tour. You also neglect to mention that age limits, education, and criminal waivers have all been put in place to meet these enlistment goals that otherwise would never have been met.

I don't imagine too many of us particularly care much today about 1944 desertion rates other than yourself to try to connect the dots to some immaterial point. Probably the fact there was a draft back then 73 years ago has something to do with it, but it is completely irrelevant to the discussion. What were the desrtion rates during the revolutionary war while you are at it.

The fact that active military and their families are supporting Paul and Obama by up to 50% of actual monetary donations tells me they are ready to stop getting sent over to act as policemen in another part of the world. The next 18% support War Vet McCain, leaving all the rest to fight for the scraps of military support.

The military is extended to just about it's limit, as any vet would be able to verify for you. There are things that normally happen in the military between deployments such as training and maintenance that are being completely scrapped right now. People are on their 4th-5th tours with no apparent end in sight and both they and their families are getting burnt out, justifiably so. Along with the equipment they use.

We need to bring the draft back and let the entire country contribute, or just shut up and bring these guys back home for good.
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:09 AM
 
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Sure, they volunteer. But we still owe it to them to NOT send them into harm's way unless it's absolutely necessary for the national security of the United States. The Iraq War doesn't qualify, though IMHO the one in Afghanistan does.
Sorry to interjecting this forum posting with facts, but if I recall.. (and I'm pretty sure I'm correct here, so I'm not going to waste time looking up the true statistics) but invading of Iraq, at the time, was deemed necessary at the time by both the Democrats, and Republicans.

Furthermore, no where is there some "law" deeming that we can ONLY invade due to national security issues of the United States. Making such a law, would actually violate treaties we have with other countries that we have agreements to protect including our agreement with being a member of the UN.

Not stating that I support all of those agreements, just stating that there is no rule against our use of military for reasons other then "national security". Maybe there should be, thats debatable, but there isnt one.
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Old 11-25-2007, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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We invaded. Democrats supported it. Got it. What is being discussed now is - when do we say "Mission Accomplished, this time we mean it" or else start a draft so we can be over there forever. For all the people getting all excited about the surge. That is great news...so when can we declare Victory and bring the troops home?
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