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Old 09-26-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How does fining someone for not having healthcare enable them to purchase healthcare if they now have even less money because they had to pay the fine?

The whole point of the tax is to convince people to buy health insurance. No logical person would pay the tax and have nothing to show for it when actually purchasing health insurance would cost less money. Of course some people seem so obstinate that they would rather pay the tax just to protect their "freedom."
The whole point of ACA is to create new opportunities for people to take responsibility for themselves and insure their health care risks.

The so called affordable part comes into play because the cost of the premium is capped as a percentage of pay.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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The whole point of ACA is to create new opportunities for people to take responsibility for themselves and insure their health care risks.

The so called affordable part comes into play because the cost of the premium is capped as a percentage of pay.
The point of the ACA was to steal money from those who have it to provide services to those who don't, and for the politicians to claim they're the ones who provided it out of the kindness of their hearts.

Oh, and the other purpose was to give political hands more control over vast flows of money so it can be siphoned off to the political cronies.

NO OTHER PURPOSE FOR IT EXISTS. Especially NOT your nonsense above.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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The whole point of ACA is to create new opportunities for people to take responsibility for themselves and insure their health care risks.

The so called affordable part comes into play because the cost of the premium is capped as a percentage of pay.
"Create" implies that there is a choice. ACA give you no choice, and therefore it is FORCED.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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It looks like Congress, White House, etc. are not exempt.

The fining aspect is the means to move a bunch of people off of private insurance companies.

This is very wrong. The fine is for people who don't have insurance. To induce them to get insurance.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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Furthermore if Obamacare is so great then why are members of Congress, the President, First Family, etc exempt?
I don't know the details of the first family, but Congress is very much not exempt. On the contrary - the ACA specifically requires them to go shop on the exchanges.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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The point of the ACA was to steal money from those who have it to provide services to those who don't, and for the politicians to claim they're the ones who provided it out of the kindness of their hearts.

Oh, and the other purpose was to give political hands more control over vast flows of money so it can be siphoned off to the political cronies.

NO OTHER PURPOSE FOR IT EXISTS. Especially NOT your nonsense above.

This is nonsense. Every one who has employer provided health insurance is getting a subsidy from the government for that health insurance. Are all of those employers and employee's stealing other peoples' money?

So why shouldn't uninsured people get a subsidy for their health insurance?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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I don't know the details of the first family, but Congress is very much not exempt. On the contrary - the ACA specifically requires them to go shop on the exchanges.
Reality is irrelevant to conservatives.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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I guess if the "health insurance" industry had been a major donor to the Obama campaign in 2008 like the American Hospital Association was, then Obama would have allowed "health insurance" companies to have some say in the legislation.
I always enjoy reading your posts for the backstory.

I have not found anything that shows AHA ( pacs) were particularly heavy donors to Obama's 2008 campaigns. This does not mean they were not- just I have not been able to track this one.

They seem to tend to donate more at state levels than Presidential.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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Obama has buddies?

Seriously now, do your homework. Congress and their staff will buy their healthcare insurance from a private company they select off their state's healthcare exchange. It will be equal to or better than they currently have, depending on how much they care to spend.
What, you think Congress will ever deign live like the rest of us?

Come on, you insult our intelligence.

There was a reason staffers were exempted from ALL requirements. Not by law, but by agency fiat. They were afraid that it might not be "good enough" for the elites who roam the halls of power.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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This is nonsense. Every one who has employer provided health insurance is getting a subsidy from the government for that health insurance. Are all of those employers and employee's stealing other peoples' money?
What subsidy would that be?

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So why shouldn't uninsured people get a subsidy for their health insurance?
Why should they? Why should everyone else be robbed for their convenience?
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