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I can't believe there is a contingent in Washington who are willing to go down to the wire and risk losing to the president again over ACA. They fought losing battles in two elections, the passage of the bill, the Supreme Court decision, multiple votes, now the debt ceiling. They should have shifted gears after the Supreme court decision. I think sending so many people into the market place in October will have a positive affect on second quarter numbers which are normally low. They will lose again.
In part I agree with you. I didn't really think there was anyone left in Washington that had the courage to risk their entire political career on doing what is right for the American people. I'm kind of glad I was proven wrong on that point.
As Andrew Wilkow stated yesterday on his show, there are now three classes of people in the United States:
1. Money is no object class. Regardless how much you raise the cost of something, it will not affect them. They will be able to keep their existing doctor and pay cash for services.
2. Subsidized class. These people don't care how much things cost because someone else is paying the difference.
3. Paying class. They don't qualify for a subsidy and when costs are increased due to taxes it directly impacts spending behavior. This is the old "middle class" that the liberals keep claiming they are helping.
Last edited by Spaten_Drinker; 09-27-2013 at 07:26 AM..
Hmmm,
Taxes are revenue for the government to run the Nation and provide the services it provides.
Medicare is paid into by those on it.
SS is paid into by those on it.
Seems as if someone is confused by what wealth redistribution means. Here is a suggestion, don't like paying into the system go find some place that doesn't do this, psssst, almost every affluent contry does so at even higher rates so you may have to settle for someplace a little less. Have fun.
Casper, I'm fine with that as long as the Washington cronies and union friends don't get a special pass to not participate in these programs they put on the taxpayer. And in the other European countries every class gets benefits from the system - private workers are guaranteed 6+ week of vacation, minimum of 1 year severance for layoffs, etc. And don't tell me I'm going to get my money back out of Medicare and SS. Since the government decided to open that piggy bank and go on a spending spree to secure more votes it is doubtful I will ever see a dime of the half million dollars I put into it.
Again, I don't necessarily have an issue with government programs - just make all contribute and deliver benefits that work for everybody. Right now it is a certain group that is already paying more than their fair share (percentage wise our family is in the top group and trust me we aren't rich) with no end in sight to the increases.
Hmmm,
Taxes are revenue for the government to run the Nation and provide the services it provides.
Medicare is paid into by those on it.
SS is paid into by those on it.
Seems as if someone is confused by what wealth redistribution means. Here is a suggestion, don't like paying into the system go find some place that doesn't do this, psssst, almost every affluent contry does so at even higher rates so you may have to settle for someplace a little less. Have fun.
If it were a fixed rate for everyone, that would be one thing. But a progressive taxing rate based upon your income, is wealth redistribution.
Taxing based upon your status in society, seems to pick winners and losers for us.
If it were a fixed rate for everyone, that would be one thing. But a progressive taxing rate based upon your income, is wealth redistribution.
Taxing based upon your status in society, seems to pick winners and losers for us.
And do something about the huge class of people that operate cash businesses and pay little to no tax.
In part I agree with you. I didn't really think there was anyone left in Washington that had the courage to risk their entire political career on doing what is right for the American people. I'm kind of glad I was proven wrong on that point.
No, you were right. There aren't any of those left in Washington.
If it were a fixed rate for everyone, that would be one thing. But a progressive taxing rate based upon your income, is wealth redistribution.
Taxing based upon your status in society, seems to pick winners and losers for us.
And on that we actually agree, it is why I have pushed for either a Flat/Consumption/Fair tax instead of the BS system we have today and the funny thing is that the government would actually have More money to pay ithe Nations Bills and Expenses. That along with rational reforms to spending and we are set to move forward again as a Nation. Know why this is Not happening, we allow it to not happen. I was teased a few years back when Dubya was asked if he would consider a Flat tax and he said he would seriously consider it, then no one in Congress proposed and we are still right where we started. It (Reform) will never happen until WE DEMAND it.
and the rich are still rich and the poor are still poor, what are you going to do next to make things "fair"?
Keep hoping that eventually people will stop posting strawman arguments. Also, perhaps, in the future I won't have to help a friend move because she had to choose between paying her medication and her rent.
Funny I never saw anything in the Obamacare Bill that stated it would make the rich less rich or the poor less poor, seems like someone is confusing their issues.
No you didn't... but national healthcare was the issue of the time to correct a social injustice (as seen by the community organizers). Now that we have that forced upon us, what will be the next injustice that government will tell us needs correcting? People like Obama will stand before a crowd and use some issue to convince the people that the wealthy are only wealthy at the expense of the poor.... and the wheel of progressive fascism will keep rolling over on us in the name of fairness.
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