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Of course you are entitled to your opinion, or delusion. Rather than relying on others telling you how liberalism works, why don't you get educated yourself. I would start with reading "Economics 101" and "World History 101."
You said that CA economy is the most productive. Go ahead, provide a source for that statement.
You said that CA economy is the most efficient in the Union. Go ahead, provide a source for this too.
Yes, CA is the largest state economy in the US. But that did not start and spring up in the last 20 year when CA went liberal full-blow.
In fact in the last several years, CA's economy, as a percentage of the overall US economy has shrunk. I provided the link in an earlier post.
California's economy is the 12th largest economy in the world (2012),[7] if the states of the U.S. were compared with other countries.[8][9][10] As of 2010, the gross state product (GSP) is about $1.9 trillion, which is 13.06% of the United States gross domestic product (GDP).[11] The state's GDP growth rate slowed to 0.4% in 2008 after having grown 3.1% in 2006 and 1.8% in 2007.[12]
California's economy is the 12th largest economy in the world (2012),[7] if the states of the U.S. were compared with other countries.[8][9][10] As of 2010, the gross state product (GSP) is about $1.9 trillion, which is 13.06% of the United States gross domestic product (GDP).[11] The state's GDP growth rate slowed to 0.4% in 2008 after having grown 3.1% in 2006 and 1.8% in 2007.[12]
Raw GDP numbers don't matter when your state has the biggest debt of all states, it also does not matter when your unemployment is sky high.
You can't focus on one raw number and use that to claim that their economy is efficient.
I don't think much of conservative ideology. I think conservatism as practiced in America is a backlash political ideology that was founded in opposition to the great human rights struggles in this nation, the labor movement, civil rights movement, and the women's rights movement.
I used to watch Bill Maher, then I realized something, he is the worst kind of elitist. It is one thing to make fun of rich dumb conservatives, but imo too frequently he attacks economically poor conservatives in a very elitist and unfair manner. He badly caricatures their beliefs.
He has this big platform and he should not trash and denigrate economically poor conservatives. It is disappointing.
In terms of California, and conservative governance, I agree that conservative governance is too rigid, too stuck, ignorant, and inflexible, and that conservatives public policy targets for punishment certain groups of people in ways that hurt everyone economically.
None of those things leads to economic growth, now yes Texas is booming but that is because of energy, but overall Texas unfortunately is a poor state with a lot of poor citizens. Sadly again the most conservative region in this nation, The south also tends to be the poorest. To me that reflects very poorly on conservatism.
California has a dynamic economy, it is amazing the most diverse economy by far in this nation. I wouldn't say that is because of liberalism.
Conservatives are anti-progress. They hold tradition to higher value than change, even if change makes more sense. Example being gay marriage. I have yet to hear a good reason as to why two men can't get married, but that doesn't matter. It's change, so it's wrong. This is a fairly accurate description of the current republican party.
I would characterize many conservatives today as constitutionalists. Republican party is not. That's one big difference.
If you thought about it in world-view historical terms, US Constitution is really progressive, but not the same "progressive" as some people are characterized today. Who we call progressive today are very regressive. They want US to revert back to a 6000-old tyrannical system, which socialism is one flavor of.
Make no mistake, that's where we are headed.
Socialism has been known to wear the cloak of "civil" and "human" rights during its emergence. Because socialism is subversive in its nature. And socialism ends up being a grossly inhumane and uncivil societal state. History has proven it.
So if you are finding today's socialists, like many Democrats for example, as allies in your civil issues, know this, these will be your enemies in due course. Never once in the history this has not happened.
If you are for really-progressive social changes, like gay marriage for example, while many conservatives oppose that, if you however have a libertarian spin on life (live and let live), believe me, you will find a lot in the coming years more in common with conservatives than socialists/Democrats.
This is part of the re-alignment I mentioned.
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For whatever reason, the current republicans are very anti-secularism. And that's all fine and dandy, but they claim to support the constitution, which makes it clear what the relation of church and state is to be. The relation is separation, which is basically the simplified definition of secularism.
God / religion / secularism is one of the central battles between a Capitalist or Constitutional system like ours with a Socialist system, Democrats seem to be in a rush to accomplish.
Socialism is in fact closeted-Marxism. Marxist theory of Communism is the theoretical underpinning for today socialism. If you peel the BS layers of Socialism, you will see Marxist communist theory laying bare.
Marxist theory states that Capitalism uses Religion as part of its Superstructure to perpetuate exploitation of the working class. Secondly, the real enabler to Communism, according to Lenin, is morals, or he calls it "conscious."
Which means, people will have so high morals than Proletariat's Dictatorship is no longer necessary. In Communism, classes will cease to exist, nobody will steal, nobody will cheat, and most importantly, people will have such high morals that they will work and produce to the best of their industry, even knowing the fruits of labor will be enjoyed not by the individual, but by the society as a whole. And individual will get what he needs.
However religion tells us that we humans are imperfect, and we sin endlessly. And Jesus Christ is the savior, and he died for our sins. And we need to go to confession to confess our sins, try to be better people, yet we sin again.
Religion says that morals needed for Communism will never be achieved. Marxism says religion is wrong - there will be a time human morals will be perfect.
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Everyone having the same rights and opportunities would be equality.
I don't think this really tells me anything. You should really give us some examples, AND tell us how are these rights derived, who gave us these rights, and how do we balance these rights with rights of others, who may be in contradiction with said rights.
California's economy is the 12th largest economy in the world (2012),[7] if the states of the U.S. were compared with other countries.[8][9][10] As of 2010, the gross state product (GSP) is about $1.9 trillion, which is 13.06% of the United States gross domestic product (GDP).[11] The state's GDP growth rate slowed to 0.4% in 2008 after having grown 3.1% in 2006 and 1.8% in 2007.[12]
CA is a huge economy; no one is disputing that. Yet, I asked that you provide references to your claims of 1- Highest Productivity rate and 2- highest Efficiency. You still have not provided anything.
In terms of California, and conservative governance, I agree that conservative governance is too rigid, too stuck, ignorant, and inflexible, and that conservatives public policy targets for punishment certain groups of people in ways that hurt everyone economically.
None of those things leads to economic growth, now yes Texas is booming but that is because of energy, but overall Texas unfortunately is a poor state with a lot of poor citizens. Sadly again the most conservative region in this nation, The south also tends to be the poorest. To me that reflects very poorly on conservatism.
California has a dynamic economy, it is amazing the most diverse economy by far in this nation. I wouldn't say that is because of liberalism.
Not sure what you are trying to say, but in terms of economic growth, a Capitalist / Conservative / Limited Government economy is far superior to a Socialist / Big Govt economy. That's not even a debate. How far we are willing to go on the social costs -- that is the issue.
He just exemplifies the typical delusional modern day American left wing nut case. They actually believe their own lies. Obama is great, California's economy is great, debt doesn't matter, money grows on trees, etc.
One more time. Bill Maher is on HBO. HBO has no advertisement so ratings mean diddley. It makes its money off of getting subscribers. HBO gets subscribers by touting its award winning shows. Bill Maher's job is to have an award winning show. Who votes for awards? Hollywood. His job is to say things that will make Hollywood like him and vote for his show. It is not surprising that Maher says California is swell or for that matter every TV series on HBO is liberal. They placate conservative subscribers with theatrical movies. That's because those movies don't come up for awards for HBO. They get their awards when they are in the theater.
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