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Ah this very debatable most historians think Great Britain would have been defeated eventually if Germany had not attacked Russia. I think Dunkirk kind of proves that. As for the USA doubtful they would have entered if Russia had not been attacked by Germany.
Germany would have had the considerable resources of Western Europe at her disposal and would have been a formidable foe of the isolationist and unprepared Americans.
Yea, can't argue the way the war was going for Europe and Britain. Nust one thing I refuse to do is give the Russians any credit. Two faced backstabbing opportunists. Stalin was an animal. He slept with dogs and got fleas. I still think Patton had the right idea about the Russians. Instead, we sold out and kissed their azzes.
We don't owe the Russians a bloody thing. We should have come to Englands aid way before we did. So, Hitler got cocky, turned on his buddy Stalin and opened up a seriously draining front. And here we are, discussing the merits of communism. How moronic....
1: stalin signed a non aggression pact with hitler, and even admired hitler.
2: stalin was willing to work with hitler had hitler asked for help
3: stalin however did not fully trust hitler, nor anyone else for that matter, and as such he ordered his heavy industries to be moved behind the ural mountains where they were out of reach of hitlers bombers
4: stalin was surprised when hitler invaded russia, and was unprepared to deal with a german invasion mostly because sstalin had purged his military of generals he thought were a threat to him as leader of the soviet union
5: true that stalin was willing to trade lots of russia lives for victory over his enemies, of which hitler became one after the german invasion of russia
6: russia did defeat germany but with a lot of help from the allies, especially america
7: once america entered the war, and turned our resources and ingenuity, and our industrial might against the axis power, the war was essentially over at that point, just a lot of bloodshed was required to bring the point home to the axis powers.
8: the US had 16 million men under arms by the end of the war
9: all of germanys wonder weapons amounted to a hill of beans in the final tally, for instance teh ME163 comet, with all its capabilities accounted for the loss of nine allied bombers. in fact many 163s ble wup just sitting on the runway preparing to take off. as for the ME262, by the end of the war the US had the P80 shooting star in squadron service, just not deployed to europe as it wasnt needed. and for the record, the P80 would have mopped the skies with the ME262 as it was faster, had better armament, and handled better, as well as having a longer range.
i agree with you carterstamp, however if forced to live in a carribean nation, i would prefer jamaica over the other two, i know people there and it far better than either cuba or haiti.
Stalin signed the nonaggression pact for the purpose of buying time for a conflict he knew was inevitable. He was using the time during the pact to build up the military in both men and weapons. You must think that you can mass millions of men and supplies on the border without anyone noticing. LOL. Also, the USSR had by far the best intelligence services of all of the countries involved in WW2.
If Stalin had not purged those German trained and German supporting generals you would have seen something like France where the country was betrayed by the thoughts among the military that it was better to have a Hitler than a socialist like Leon Blum leading the country.
The USA was nothing but a "Johnny come lately" in WW2. The tide of the war had already turned at Stalingrad and the battle of Britain. The USA was loath to fight the Nazis. There were and still are too many American economic royalists that liked the Nazis and wished they could have a system just like they did. Germany declared war on the USA. not the other way around and don't ever forget that FACT. FDR had long wanted to get into it but the GOP would have seen him impeached FOR SURE if he had.
The USSR would have defeated Russia for sure without any help from the USA. Do you think the USA was fighting to help the USSR? LOL. The USA was fighting to protect their interests in the post war period. If they had not been there, all of Europe would have been behind the iron curtain.
Stalin signed the nonaggression pact for the purpose of buying time for a conflict he knew was inevitable. He was using the time during the pact to build up the military in both men and weapons. You must think that you can mass millions of men and supplies on the border without anyone noticing. LOL. Also, the USSR had by far the best intelligence services of all of the countries involved in WW2.
yes stalin knew war was coming, but he was willing to fight WITH germany not against them until germany invaded.
second, yes i know moving millions of men and their war materials is a slow process, i am not three years old, but thanks for treating me that way, i am going to go crap my diaper now.
third the USSRs intelligence services were not as good as you think they were. remember it was the US and british intelligence serivces that broke the japanese and german codes, the germans ones were broken with the help of the polish resistance groups by the way.
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If Stalin had not purged those German trained and German supporting generals you would have seen something like France where the country was betrayed by the thoughts among the military that it was better to have a Hitler than a socialist like Leon Blum leading the country.
germans trained, and german sympathizing generals are two different things. the reality is that stalin felt his generals were a threat to him as the leader of the soviet union, which is why he had them purged, not because they might ally themselves with germany.
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The USA was nothing but a "Johnny come lately" in WW2. The tide of the war had already turned at Stalingrad and the battle of Britain. The USA was loath to fight the Nazis. There were and still are too many American economic royalists that liked the Nazis and wished they could have a system just like they did. Germany declared war on the USA. not the other way around and don't ever forget that FACT. FDR had long wanted to get into it but the GOP would have seen him impeached FOR SURE if he had.
wrong, the US was the sleeping giant that the japanese awoke by bombing pearl harbor. the tide of war had NOT turned in favor of the allies, in fact it was still very possible that the allies could have lost the war even AFTER the US came into the fray, had the axis powers gambled and gone all out to take out everything they could before US industrial might could be brought to bear. remember that russia was not convinced for sometime after the US came into the war that the japanese wouldnt invade the eastern part of the soviet union, thus stalin kept 40 divisions of troops in the east to ward off such an invasion.
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The USSR would have defeated Russia for sure without any help from the USA. Do you think the USA was fighting to help the USSR? LOL. The USA was fighting to protect their interests in the post war period. If they had not been there, all of Europe would have been behind the iron curtain.
the USSR would have defeated russia? you mean germany? a few things to remember here also, the USA industry was in fact supporting the russian industry. we sent them the P39/P400 airacobras which the russians used quite effectively as ground attack planes, and it was BETTER than anything the russians had at the time. the luftwaffa could mop the skies with russian planes, and the problem germany had was no long reange heavy bomber fleet to go after russian industry behind the ural mountains, german y felt they didnt need the bombers. and dont forget that the german army was within 12 miles of moscow before hitler changed their orders, and stalingrad would have fallen had hitler stuck to the original plan instead of going after the russian oil fields.
remember that germany was in fact a formidable foe, and had hitler listened to his generals, and not made the mistakes he did, germany could well have owned all of europe and russia today.
but hitler made too many mistakes that cost him the war. for instance he refused to go after britain and invade that country and knock them out, BEFORE invading russia. second operation barbarosa started late. had it started when it should have, and had hitler not changed plans in the middle, russia would have fallen to germany. and had japan not bombed pearl harbor, or any other US interests and kept the US out of the war, the axis power would very well have won that war.
A flawed poll. That is like asking : For those who have cancer which would you rather have?
1. An inoperable tumor on the brain
2. An inoperable tumor on your spinal cord.
Yea, can't argue the way the war was going for Europe and Britain. Nust one thing I refuse to do is give the Russians any credit. Two faced backstabbing opportunists. Stalin was an animal. He slept with dogs and got fleas. I still think Patton had the right idea about the Russians. Instead, we sold out and kissed their azzes.
We don't owe the Russians a bloody thing. We should have come to Englands aid way before we did. So, Hitler got cocky, turned on his buddy Stalin and opened up a seriously draining front. And here we are, discussing the merits of communism. How moronic....
It's debatable Hitler would have ever risen to power if there was not a communist Russia. People tend to think the Germans elected Hitler because of anti-Semitism. His power was based on the German fear of communists. The communist party in Germany was active and formidable at the time. Germans seeing what Stalin was doing to the Ukranian peasants had every reason a communist takeover of Germany.
Communism is an abhorrent system responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions only the most debased of Leftists support it.
Certainly Havana. Perhaps one day, I will be able to say Port au Prince. However, I am not necessarily opposed to other forms of government and believe in national self-determination.
Cuba is often regarded as a communist country that has a poor standard of living. While Haiti has capitalism, Cuba is much better off. So which capital city would you rather live in?
I would rather people posting on this forum not post false dilemmas, and know SOMETHING about critical thinking
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