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Old 09-30-2013, 03:56 PM
 
Location: southern california
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yes but pit bulls and swimming pools kill kids too
why the priority given to disarming homeowners
why the millions spent on this goal
armed ghetto hood rats responsible for lots of kid death
where is your outrage
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The amount of carelessness displayed by these gun owners is stunning, one grand parent leaving loaded guns around the house. Another job well done by the NRA fighting gun safety, access to loaded guns comes first safety of children second.
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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Of course you can. But only one of the many things that kills children is a weapon whose purpose is to kill.

Next specious argument?
Actually, it's purpose is to protect.
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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So, the gun is at fault, but not the parents, who gave a 12 year old a gun to scare coyotes, or the parent who hid the gun under the couch, or the parents who hid a gun in the closet...

Nope, it's all the guns fault...those guns jumped up and did everything...
Exactly. Stupid parents raise children who do stupid things. I was raised around guns. Lots of guns. Many of which were never locked up. Me and my 2 brothers managed to survive our childhood without getting shot or shooting anyone else. We respected guns. We never touched them without our parents being there. We never EVER pointed them at another human being. And we were taught that they were not toys.
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Another job well done by the NRA fighting gun safety, access to loaded guns comes first safety of children second.
If you are depending on the NRA to provide safety to your children, then you cannot in all honesty consider yourself a responsible parent.

Access to loaded guns and safety are not competing requirements, the US army has access to loaded guns in general they are very safe with their use. The vast majority of gun owners too have access to loaded guns and in general they are very safe with their use. I'm sure you can pull up some stats, but bear in mind there are a conservative 70-80M lawful gun owners in the US and unknown numbers of unlawful gun owners, so you better have something that's approaching 1M+ examples to prove that they are not in general safe with their use.

On the NRA they have mostly agreed with gun safety measures that have proven and effective results, and fought gun safety measures with unproven or ineffective results. That's their job.
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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yes but pit bulls and swimming pools kill kids too
why the priority given to disarming homeowners
why the millions spent on this goal
armed ghetto hood rats responsible for lots of kid death
where is your outrage
Where in the article does it mention disarming gun owners, this is about common sense gun reporting an allowing minor access to loaded guns. Good thing the NRA doesn't have a pool safety division, they would be arguing against fences around swimming pools because it violates the constitution.
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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If you are depending on the NRA to provide safety to your children, then you cannot in all honesty consider yourself a responsible parent.

Access to loaded guns and safety are not competing requirements, the US army has access to loaded guns in general they are very safe with their use. The vast majority of gun owners too have access to loaded guns and in general they are very safe with their use. I'm sure you can pull up some stats, but bear in mind there are a conservative 70-80M lawful gun owners in the US and unknown numbers of unlawful gun owners, so you better have something that's approaching 1M+ examples to prove that they are not in general safe with their use.

On the NRA they have mostly agreed with gun safety measures that have proven and effective results, and fought gun safety measures with unproven or ineffective results. That's their job.
The NRA has used faulty data and done everything they could to make sure the Center for Disease Control would not have funding to study accidental gun deaths, you would hope that their organization would want good data. The focus of the article was under reporting of accidental gun deaths particularly by minors, if correct it pushes accidental gun deaths into the top for children. Why guns are not addressed as a consumer safety product is an excellent question.

Agree with you on the NRA, no one should use them as an example to provide safety.

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Gun rights lobbyists have also helped keep firearms and ammunition beyond the
reach of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, which has the power to regulate
other products that are dangerous to children. The N.R.A. argues that the
commission would provide a back door for gun control advocates to restrict the
manufacture of firearms. Proponents of regulation say guns pose too great a
hazard to exclude them from scrutiny.

“We know in the world of injury control that designing safer products is often the most efficient way to reduce tragedies,” said Dr. Kellermann, the co-author of the boys-and-guns study, who is a dean at the
Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. “Why, if we have childproof aspirin bottles, don’t we have childproof guns?”
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The amount of carelessness displayed by these gun owners is stunning, one grand parent leaving loaded guns around the house. Another job well done by the NRA fighting gun safety, access to loaded guns comes first safety of children second.
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Where in the article does it mention disarming gun owners, this is about common sense gun reporting an allowing minor access to loaded guns. Good thing the NRA doesn't have a pool safety division, they would be arguing against fences around swimming pools because it violates the constitution.



You obviously chose to ignore this:


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There's a reason the NRA is against storage laws. In MA we have a storage law. What do you suppose happens with violations of the storage law?



Gadson acquitted in shooting death of her son


So then of course the solution to keep the public safe from firearms would be more laws.


Linsky outlines his own gun control bill - Framingham, MA - The MetroWest Daily News


Mass. Gov. Patrick outlines new gun control bill - Boston.com



The fact that some people just like to whine about the NRA is another benefit of membership and a reason I like supporting them.
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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Of course you can. But only one of the many things that kills children is a weapon whose purpose is to kill.

Next specious argument?
It's not specious. A gun's purpose isn't for a child to kill himself. A pool's purpose isn't for a child to kill himself. A gun used properly is no less safe than a pool used properly. So there is no specious element to the argument.
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Old 09-30-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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Meanwhile back to your position, look it's pretty simple, either you care about deaths, or you care about the means of death. If you care about deaths then you don't care about guns there are much much bigger fish to fry, if you care about means then you care about guns, but lets be intellectually honest and drop the arguments about the numbers of people dying, they're just a facile attempt to cover your belief that certain means of death are not acceptable.

Here ya go! This is about the best response I have heard, I have not read forward of this posting, but I'll bet you are not given a response.

What you are stating is selective outrage (or fake outrage).

Great post!
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