Gov. Shutdown Thread (Harry Reid, house of representatives, interstate, Congressmen)

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

You should turn off the 24hr news garbage because they lie to you.


*"Andrews Air Force Base golf course is funded through user fees and that's why it remains open, said Air Force Captain Lindy Singleton, chief of public affairs for the 11th Wing at Andrews."
Funding process fuels shutdown's seeming randomness - U.S. - Stripes

Nice try, but that's not the reason. They shut down Mount Vernon, which is privately owned.

» Barrycades: Feds Try to Shut Down Privately Owned Mount Vernon Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Care to try again?

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

Obama did not shut those things down, Congress did because they could not agree on a budget bill.

His administration most certainly is picking and choosing what to close and what to keep open. Notice Michelle's darling website is still open.

But, but, but..............cue the liberal excuse why that's OK.

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

Nonessential does not mean worthless. I wonder what the nonessential employees think of you calling them worthless.

Most companies would struggle to survive with a barebones crew.

Welcome to the reality of the private sector. Where you have to live within your means, and can't take money from your customers under penalty of fine or imprisonment.

[Kibby]

Originally Posted by HeyJude514

It's unfortunate that these vets are being inconvenienced, but let's face reality here, that's all this is. No one will die because they can't walk around a memorial. You should instead be wringing your hands in dismay about all of the homebound vets and other seniors who depend on programs like Meals on Wheels who could be going hungry if this shutdown continues. You know, people who are suffering real consequences. But to do so would go against the GOP meme that no one is really being hurt by this drawnout shut down. So much better and easier to go with the good photo op of a chained off memorial and pretend that this is the biggest outrage ever!!!!!

Your protests ring hollow to thinking people.

I don't think it's the "greatest outrage ever" - I think it's the greatest insult ever. Nope, none of them will die because they can't 'walk around a Memorial', but they will surely die without actually seeing that there are people who remember what they did and honor them for it. Not all of course, we (and they) are seeing that some really don't care.

Thanks for let us know that the Obama Administration is now threatening the Meals on Wheels organizations - I'm a long time driver and supporter/donator and I had not heard that. You are correct - the announcements are on the web-site that they are now under threat also.

Hmmmm - 90+ Vets in Wheelchairs, Homebound Seniors, Medicare cuts -- a War on Seniors?

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by Kibby

I guess you would rather believe the NY Times instead of the photos taken at the Memorials and the dates they were published.

Got it!

The date the photo was published is irrelevant. It's when and where the photo was taken that matter. And I'll take the words of vets who visited the memorials this past weekend over biased tabloids any day of the week.

[HeyJude514]

Originally Posted by Kibby

The Horror! Vandalism from the Wheelchair brigade of WWII Vets in their 90's. - those same possible vandals of today "protected" this country and the free world in the 1940's. (Hint- these guys actually collected the money that paid for these Memorials they are not allowed to see until they took down the barricades)

Your continuing obsession with a few vets being inconvenienced is amusing. People are being put out of work, vets and seniors are losing their Meals on Wheels, infants are losing their WIC benefits, yet it's the inconvenience of vets not being able to walk around memorials that has you the most outraged. I think you need to reexamine your priorities.

[Red_Diamond]

Facts......stubborn things.

http://www.creators.com/print/conser...overnment.html

Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.

There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going — except for ObamaCare.

This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.

As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.

Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.

ObamaCare is indeed "the law of the land," as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.

But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.

The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies — unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.

Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who — if anybody — "wants to shut down the government." But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.

The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a "clean" bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word "clean" like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?

If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.

You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.

When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of "legislation by appropriation" as it used to be called.

Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.

Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.

Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.

None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out — and articulation has never been their strong suit — the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.

[Kibby]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

Veterans are being allowed to visit the Memorials.

Shutdown Didn’t Stop Honor Flights For Arkansas Vets | 5NEWSOnline.com

Veterans visit DC memorials despite government shutdown | The Daily Orange

Good point - the President has not sent in the SWAT Teams to arrest them. The Vets push aside the barriers that are put up every day and wheel themselves into the Memorials. Crowds come to cheer them on and photograph the entire thing. The press comes to make sure they have the video to show on air if the SWAT Teams show up.

I know you folks that support this stuff don't like the posts and pictures about it, but it's offensive to everyone who served this country, has family that served or knows someone who served. The Honor Flights are planned a year in advance, they mostly come in October -- This has never been done by any other President in the previous 17 Government Shutdowns. It's a deliberate insult by the "Commander in Chief. It's clear that the Obama crowd cares nothing, but a lot of people do care.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by Kibby

Good point - the President has not sent in the SWAT Teams to arrest them. The Vets push aside the barriers that are put up every day and wheel themselves into the Memorials. Crowds come to cheer them on and photograph the entire thing. The press comes to make sure they have the video to show on air if the SWAT Teams show up.

I know you folks that support this stuff don't like the posts and pictures about it, but it's offensive to everyone who served this country, has family that served or knows someone who served. The Honor Flights are planned a year in advance, they mostly come in October -- This has never been done by any other President in the previous 17 Government Shutdowns. It's a deliberate insult by the "Commander in Chief. It's clear that the Obama crowd cares nothing, but a lot of people do care.

The Honor Flights have been allowed to visit the memorials. The vets do not have to push aside the barriers, crowds do come and cheer for the vets, and to personally thank the visiting vets for their service. The links I provided show that this is true, and many of the quotes about their great experiences come directly from the vets.

[HeyJude514]

Originally Posted by Kibby

Good point - the President has not sent in the SWAT Teams to arrest them. The Vets push aside the barriers that are put up every day and wheel themselves into the Memorials. Crowds come to cheer them on and photograph the entire thing. The press comes to make sure they have the video to show on air if the SWAT Teams show up.

I know you folks that support this stuff don't like the posts and pictures about it, but it's offensive to everyone who served this country, has family that served or knows someone who served. The Honor Flights are planned a year in advance, they mostly come in October -- This has never been done by any other President in the previous 17 Government Shutdowns. It's a deliberate insult by the "Commander in Chief. It's clear that the Obama crowd cares nothing, but a lot of people do care.

Oh, the humanity!

What is really offensive is that you think this is more important than real suffering by millions of Americans. Tell us, what are the vets suffering other than a little bit of inconvenience? You continue to ignore this question because you know the answer is nothing. All this hand-wringing about closed monuments amounts to nothing more than melodramatic whining from a bunch of drama queens. Ridiculous.