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This is a Multi-Billion dollar deal and it's a failure - there will be Investigations about all this mess.
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...this is 2013 - it's the information age. The Average American now has access to information they couldn't get in the past. We don't have to wait for Walter Cronkite to give us his interpretation of the "news" every evening at 6:00 pm. The Pro-Obama Media can't hide the failure from the people - did everyone notice that in the hour long Press Conference yesterday, not a single question was asked about ObamaCare? Not a single question. That's absolutely astounding on the Grand Opening week that NOBODY was interested enough to even ask President Stompy Foot a question about his Signature, Legacy building, ACA that is supposed to save us all.
The Public has never been in favor of this law
Not before, and not now. You're correct, NEVER.
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Now the Democrats will have to try and defend it all next year right before an election. They won't be able to do that - it's ripped apart our entire Health Insurance structure for all Americans, even those that had the Insurance they loved that they now find out they can't keep.
A default is a failure to perform on a debt. A law is not a debt.
A political promise is just that, a promise. Failure to pay on that promise just means that the politician was able to dupe people who were stupid enough to believe that they would get what was promised.
The U.S. WILL perform on the national debt. It's Constitutionally mandated that we do so. There will be no default.
A default is a failure to meet an obligation, in this case a financial obligation. You are simply playing semantics by trying to narrow the definition down. The straightforward fact is that the government's income is not sufficient to meet all of the government's financial obligations. And when you deny them the ability to use credit to meet ALL of their obligations, some of those obligations will not be met. And that is a default.
The catastrophe won't be in the actual defaults, it will be in the perception of the creditworthiness of the United States. A homeowner who always pays their mortgage, but defaults on a couple of credit cards will not be able to get credit at the same rates or in the same amounts as a homeowner who always pays their mortgage and pays all their other financial obligations. A homeowner might be able to service all their debt obligations, but it doesn't do him much good when he can't put gas in the car, or food on the table. And in the case of the United States, creditors take note when the government can't put gas in the car or food on the table, as well as when it cannot service every financial obligation.
I find it ironic that conservative doomsayers lament that Obama is going to take us down to third-world status, and that those very same conservatives are 100% supportive of speeding that process along. We need to continue the economic recovery. The path the Tea Party has chosen is to push us off the path. Why? To get rid of Obamacare? That sounds suspiciously like slicing off your nose to spite your face.
I want Boehner to tell the Tea Party conservatives NO. Because it's what is best for our country.
When is that supposed to happen? The majority has NEVER liked Obamacare. They like it even less now that they're finding out that they're losing their plans contrary to what Obama promised, and/or a new plan they're required to buy will cost them MUCH more.
Plenty of money to meet ALL Financial Debt. Other obligations/promises/Obamaphones can be cut to save money.
Yup plenty for the Democrats to be scared about the longer this drags on.
Semantics.
Those other obligations...when they are cut, they are still obligations that have not been met. Which is the DEFINITION of default.
And when we are talking about going back into recession, the Great Recession II, it stops being a partisan issue, and becomes a national crisis. The FACT that you would willingly force the country back into a recession, a devastating recession, when we haven't even recovered from the last one, is simply irrational. We can avoid it, but a minority in this country don't want to avoid it. They want to punish the entire country for not agreeing with them. That's simply reprehensible.
Military vets are more likely to vote conservative
Maybe so ...... Is that the reason that Obama is targeting them with some of this picky stuff? He may think there are not enough Military currently serving or Military Vets to make any difference, but he is ignoring a whole lot of people that support those Military (past and present) and are appalled at their treatment while their (so called) Commander in Chief has his Temper Tantrum and uses them for Cannon Fodder. It's a Step Too Far. Obama is Out of Control.
I can't disagree with Boehner - the Obama position of "I will not negotiate", "I will only talk to you after you give me what I want" is not reasonable. I know I don't trust Obama after the lies of the last 5 years, I doubt John Boehner does either. It's especially difficult to "trust" when the people you are suppose to "trust" all calling you all kinds of horrible names and making threats. I've already said I disagreed with all the ObamaCare 'defund/delay' -- I think Boehner has other options, but maybe it's too late.
For you that are younger - this is a fascinating time in Politics. I've lived to see the rise (and fall) of the Green Party, the indy Ross Perot, the Libertarians on both fronts (inside & outside the GOP) and the "socialist/communist" types that many now think were a myth (they were not) ... but those rise/fall entities were nothing like what we are witnessing today. I feel pretty confident that the perception of the Tea Party is not even close to what they represent - the real proof of that is what they have achieved in just a couple of years with absolutely no real structure or even a spokesperson or Candidate (like Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot) The exact date that the Tea Party burst on the political scene (other than a few scattered street corner gatherings with signs) was April 15, 2009, when Nationwide rallies were called in reaction to the Trillion dollar (with interest) Stimulus Bill. I attended one of those 'rallies' to see what it was all about -- I came away from that rally certain that this was going to be a big deal. It wasn't about the speeches - it was about the people that were there. That's the one and only TP event I've ever attended. I'm just not a 'joiner' of political anything. Never have been a member of a "party" or donated a dime to a Politician - vote for Democrats about as often as I have for Republicans over the years. I read a LOT and make up my own mind about all of it.
For many of us who are really watching we are witnessing only a touch of Obama's wrath if he is able to succeed in gaining the house in 2014.
We see the difference between pre-elected and post-elected Obama. Obviously the tea party members were watching. The tea party rose out of nowhere to rally against big government / big spenders. Obama didn't count on the tea party as he was in the process of changing America and with all the vitriol he is spewing it's obvious he is pi*sed. Don't dare stand in Obama's way. Even with the media in his pocket they are still a problem to him.
Today we are witnessing history. Never in the entire history of the U.S. has a president said (at least in public) that he will not negotiate. This is also a turning point. If republicans cave we are witnessing only a small amount of the wrath that Obama is capable of if he doesn't get his way. And never say you won't be in his bulls eye.
A default is a failure to meet an obligation, in this case a financial obligation. You are simply playing semantics by trying to narrow the definition down.
No, you're playing semantics trying to make it look like we have to pay for irresponsible and egregious politically pandering promises. Quite simply, we don't. We DO, however, have to pay the national debt.
Those other obligations...when they are cut, they are still obligations that have not been met. Which is the DEFINITION of default.
And when we are talking about going back into recession, the Great Recession II, it stops being a partisan issue, and becomes a national crisis. The FACT that you would willingly force the country back into a recession, a devastating recession, when we haven't even recovered from the last one, is simply irrational. We can avoid it, but a minority in this country don't want to avoid it. They want to punish the entire country for not agreeing with them. That's simply reprehensible.
Negative it is NOT semantics. If you think so then you need to read up on financial terms and definitions.
When is that supposed to happen? The majority has NEVER liked Obamacare. They like it even less now that they're finding out that they're losing their plans contrary to what Obama promised, and/or a new plan they're required to buy will cost them MUCH more.
And they'll get better coverage. In NY and California, premiums are lower than what was expected.
About half the people support Obamacare and many of those that don't support it, wanted a system even stronger.
Polls show only a 1/3 of respondents want to repeal the law.
Turns out there’s a 61 year-old “life long” Republican – Butch Matthews – in Little Rock, Arkansas who bought a “Silver” plan on the Arkansas exchange (a State-Federal partnership model) earlier this week. In 2014 he expects he’ll save close to $13,000.
The full story of Butch Matthews was reported by ThinkProgress on Wednesday (here) the day after exchanges around the country opened.
The effect on the Republican narrative was 180 degrees away from months of claiming that rates would effectively double – or worse. Butch’s new monthly premium with tax subsidies? Zero. That’s right – $0. By switching from a Blue Cross Blue Shield ”Bronze” plan to an Exchange “Silver” plan he’s increased his coverage and will save $1,069 per month – or almost $13,000 a year.
And what about that all important deductible? Huge savings there too. His deductible on the individual plan he had through Blue Cross Blue Shield kept rising – to it’s current rate of $10,000 a year. His new deductible under Obamacare? $750 a year.
When the savings are so dramatic it’s no wonder that the quote is equally compelling – and headline worthy.
“I still am a very strong Republican, but this … I’m so happy that this came along.” Butch Matthews
No, you're playing semantics trying to make it look like we have to pay for irresponsible and egregious politically pandering promises. Quite simply, we don't. We DO, however, have to pay the national debt.
Yes, I'm playing semantics by citing the definition of the word.
Please, you've already admitted earlier in the thread that we won't be able to meet ALL of our financial obligations. That's called defaulting. Period. So when you said we wouldn't DEFAULT you meant to say we wouldn't DEFAULT on servicing the National Debt, but would DEFAULT on other obligations, including those "irresponsible and egregious politically pandering promises" as well as on existing orders for equipment and services, and numerous other financial obligations.
DEFAULT means DEFAULT. We will DEFAULT on some of our financial obligations if the debt ceiling is not raised.
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