Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-01-2013, 06:53 AM
 
215 posts, read 297,394 times
Reputation: 229

Advertisements

But Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, in a briefing with reporters, pleaded for patience, acknowledging there would probably be some glitches in the coming days and weeks as the administration moves forward on the sweeping program known as Obamacare. She likened the inevitable fixes to software updates on Apple products such as the iPhone or iPad.

“No one is calling on Apple to not sell devices for a year or to get out of the business because the whole thing is a failure,” she said. “Everyone just assumes there’s a problem, they’ll fix it, let’s move on. . . . Hopefully, they’ll give us the same slack as they give Apple.”


White House shows off Web site to buy health insurance under Obamacare - The Washington Post

Sebelius has a way of coming across as arrogant, with a hint of insecurity that she isn't qualified to do the job she was hired to do. She somehow finds a way to work around laws and industry standards and ethics that most mere mortal citizens are expected to follow, like signing a law in Kansas allowing illegal immigrants a benefit of in-state tuition fees for Kansas state colleges and universities.

Sebelius, like a lot of successful women her generation, such as Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Rodham Clinton, followed in their father's footsteps.

She is a woman on a mission, so good luck getting in her way. She was the insurance commissioner in Kansas before she became Governor. Does that frighten you at all?

I am sorry, but Millennials who voted for Obama and who are actually buying into the Sebelius-Obama media hype about free and low cost healthcare, you are in for a rude awakening.

If you are between the ages of 18 and 34 (if you are not lucky enough to have your parents still paying your insurance until the age of 26), then you are the ones who will be subsidizing this "affordable" healthcare, especially if you are not low income or if you are single with no children.

You are the least likely to need health insurance (according to the Kaiser Family Foundation only 1 in 4 insured people require medical services), and you are the group least likely to be insured (probably because you don't use it.)

You are the group targeted for sign up on healthcare.gov, and you are the ones who will be paying more. And no, you won't be paying more for better coverage or better services.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-01-2013, 06:55 AM
 
45,224 posts, read 26,437,203 times
Reputation: 24979
Oh I see the connection, consumers willingly purchasing apple products vs. being forced to buy insurance under threat of violence.

The woman is an idiot and a crook.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2013, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
5,094 posts, read 5,173,833 times
Reputation: 4233
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Oh I see the connection, consumers willingly purchasing apple products vs. being forced to buy insurance under threat of violence.

The woman is an idiot and a crook.

If your children's school buys apple products for the students, you are already being forced to buy them through your property taxes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2013, 07:02 AM
 
8,391 posts, read 6,296,160 times
Reputation: 2314
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Oh I see the connection, consumers willingly purchasing apple products vs. being forced to buy insurance under threat of violence.
No one is forced to buy health insurance. You can not buy it and pay higher taxes.

In fact, this is the very situation that already exists and has existed for years.

If you don't get employee provided health insurance your taxable income is increased which means you paid higher taxes.

This reality has been the tax law of the land for decades.

Also, the people who are going to the website or calling to enroll are probably doing so because they want health insurance. SMH.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2013, 07:11 AM
 
45,224 posts, read 26,437,203 times
Reputation: 24979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
No one is forced to buy health insurance. You can not buy it and pay higher taxes.

In fact, this is the very situation that already exists and has existed for years.

If you don't get employee provided health insurance your taxable income is increased which means you paid higher taxes.

This reality has been the tax law of the land for decades.

Also, the people who are going to the website or calling to enroll are probably doing so because they want health insurance. SMH.
I guess you don't understand what a tax is.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2013, 08:11 AM
 
78,405 posts, read 60,579,949 times
Reputation: 49681
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
No one is forced to buy health insurance. You can not buy it and pay higher taxes.
While I agree with Sebelius that there will be some early bugs and people should have some patience, trying to white-wash the forced implementation of the gov. is disingenuous.

If younger people DONT sign up for health insurance, they WILL keep ratcheting up the penalties until they get sufficient compliance.

I mean, look at social security? Paying your taxes? Why try to hide the fact that the govt. will make (and have to do it) certain programs compulsory under various levels of financial force and even imprisonment. It's kinda neccessary, otherwise you don't have a compulsory program.

hint: Non-compulsory healthcare WILL fail due to adverse selection. They are just starting out with a smaller stick.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: texas
9,127 posts, read 7,942,406 times
Reputation: 2385
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Oh I see the connection, consumers willingly purchasing apple products vs. being forced to buy insurance under threat of violence.

The woman is an idiot and a crook.
Do you not have insruance now? If no, why not? who pays for your healthcare? only a fool goes without healthcare or insurance.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
14,888 posts, read 10,033,991 times
Reputation: 7693
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
No one is forced to buy health insurance. You can not buy it and pay higher taxes.

In fact, this is the very situation that already exists and has existed for years.

If you don't get employee provided health insurance your taxable income is increased which means you paid higher taxes.

This reality has been the tax law of the land for decades.

Also, the people who are going to the website or calling to enroll are probably doing so because they want health insurance. SMH.
You paid higher taxes because your INCOME was higher. If you fail to purchase health insurance you are penalized and are taxed because you failed to buy something, not because your income was higher.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2013, 08:18 AM
 
8,016 posts, read 5,858,077 times
Reputation: 9682
Dear Jesus this woman is an idiot.

She is neither prepared nor qualified to do the job she has been given.

Oddly enough, you can make the same statement about Obama.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-01-2013, 08:26 AM
 
5,756 posts, read 3,997,659 times
Reputation: 2308
What did you expect from a gaggle of Saul Ailinsky,Marx,Mao lovers?
Enjoy sheeple....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:11 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top