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Yeah I'd like to see you try to get any of this past even the most conservative politician. I believe the term I'm looking for is "political suicide".
And here we have the grand republican plan; if they can't afford insurance they are free to die. I really hate to break it to you but your callous ideas for healthcare just aren't a viable option. Most of America favors the single payer system and the ACA is the first step toward that end.
I'm not saying that,but if someone would rather have a Lexus than healthcare insurance,well you get the idea.
What I find unfair is that the goverment provides healthcare for some(seniors and some of the poor) but not others.
The goverment should either provide for NONE,or provide for ALL.
Its funny because many of these people screaming about single payer systems have no problem with Medicare.
Exactly Glitch. Liberals will never understand that. They adore Canad and Europe and think we should all have hi speed rail and free everything including healthcare. I say move if you don't like it here. These people are destroying our country. When EVERYBODY is poor after these leeches suck us dry it will all collapse and of course they will blame somebody else like usual. It's beyond insanity anymore.
Yeah that's why conservatives in this country came up with the idea of what you call Obamacare and House Republicans tried to pass it. Go ahead and continue with the partisan whining.
We need a sub-forum here for less intelligent conservative whining.
It ticks me off that insurance companies were given a very long leash to do what they willed with holders of private insurance policies.
They weren't given a long leash at all. The government mandated what had to be in various policies, and the government mandated that any changes to existing policies would disqualify them from being grandfathered into the new system. Your "long leash" comment makes no sense whatsoever.
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But that is to be expected since "Obamacare" is really a Republican solution to the problem of the uninsured. The only measure that could have stopped the insurers from dropping private policies is regulation - and God knows, you R's hate that beyond reason.
We don't hate it "beyond" reason, we hate it for good reason.
The individual mandate itself was an idea proposed at one point by the Heritage Foundation. That does not make the 2,000+ page Obamacare act a Republican solution. Obamacare passed with 0 Republican votes. Not a single one. So once again, your comment makes no sense whatsoever.
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If conservatives had really cared about the people rather than wallowing in a hatefest against Obama, they would have actively engaged in making their Heritage Foundation concept of healthcare reform a success.
That's your opinion. And a pretty poor one at that given that you just said that Obamacare was a Republican idea. You're contradicting yourself. The hatefest here is your incoherent ranting against conservatives. At least try to make some logical sense. But that's the problem with idiotic liberal ideas. They always, always boil down to "we care about people and Republicans are mean". It doesn't matter what the issue is. It doesn't matter if it is the environment, minimum wage, abortion, race, healthcare, financial regulation, taxes, whatever. The rhetoric is always the same. The thing is, your one size fits all talking points don't actually fit all. And that's how you get yourself into situations like this post of yours, where you are simply spouting nonsense that not even a two year old would believe. Is Obamacare a Republican idea, or do Republicans hate Obamacare? Pick one. You can't have it both ways.
Here's a clue for you: Obamacare is bad. It's precisely because Republicans do care about people that they oppose Obamacare. Because Obamacare is garbage. We aren't simpleton enough to fall for moron liberal "Obamacare is about healthcare, therefore anybody who doesn't support Obamacare doesn't care about healthcare" reasoning. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can understand the simple concept that just because a bad law is about a good subject doesn't transform that bad law into a good law.
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But as usual, hiding behind phony values like opposition to big government, they refused to engage.
No, they didn't. The Republican conference with Obama was televised. The liberal attempts to rewrite history to claim that Republicans had no ideas about healthcare have the unfortunate problem of the meeting wherein Republicans did engage being national news, and the Republican ideas being openly available on their party website for anybody to see. So actual reality doesn't support your claim.
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If conservatives really hated taxes like they claim to, then why are my property taxes so high?
And your proof that your property taxes were set by conservatives is what, exactly?
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Oh they love the kind of social engineering that high property taxes achieves, but not the ones that they proclaim to be wealth redistribution (to the lazy and undeserving).
And what type of social engineering are you referring to, exactly? That sort of amorphous claim means nothing. It's easy to accuse someone of hypocrisy when you simply make up what they want.
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So if Obamacare were repealed and replaced, what would be your plan right-wingers?
The Republican plan is freely available. Your little attempt at a challenge here is pathetic really. Go to the GOP website. The plan is there, and has been there for years. Turn off MSNBC sometime and go look at what conservatives actually want, not what liberal talking heads tell you that conservatives want.
They weren't given a long leash at all. The government mandated what had to be in various policies, and the government mandated that any changes to existing policies would disqualify them from being grandfathered into the new system. Your "long leash" comment makes no sense whatsoever.
We don't hate it "beyond" reason, we hate it for good reason.
The individual mandate itself was an idea proposed at one point by the Heritage Foundation. That does not make the 2,000+ page Obamacare act a Republican solution. Obamacare passed with 0 Republican votes. Not a single one. So once again, your comment makes no sense whatsoever.
That's your opinion. And a pretty poor one at that given that you just said that Obamacare was a Republican idea. You're contradicting yourself. The hatefest here is your incoherent ranting against conservatives. At least try to make some logical sense. But that's the problem with idiotic liberal ideas. They always, always boil down to "we care about people and Republicans are mean". It doesn't matter what the issue is. It doesn't matter if it is the environment, minimum wage, abortion, race, healthcare, financial regulation, taxes, whatever. The rhetoric is always the same. The thing is, your one size fits all talking points don't actually fit all. And that's how you get yourself into situations like this post of yours, where you are simply spouting nonsense that not even a two year old would believe. Is Obamacare a Republican idea, or do Republicans hate Obamacare? Pick one. You can't have it both ways.
Here's a clue for you: Obamacare is bad. It's precisely because Republicans do care about people that they oppose Obamacare. Because Obamacare is garbage. We aren't simpleton enough to fall for moron liberal "Obamacare is about healthcare, therefore anybody who doesn't support Obamacare doesn't care about healthcare" reasoning. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can understand the simple concept that just because a bad law is about a good subject doesn't transform that bad law into a good law.
No, they didn't. The Republican conference with Obama was televised. The liberal attempts to rewrite history to claim that Republicans had no ideas about healthcare have the unfortunate problem of the meeting wherein Republicans did engage being national news, and the Republican ideas being openly available on their party website for anybody to see. So actual reality doesn't support your claim.
And your proof that your property taxes were set by conservatives is what, exactly?
And what type of social engineering are you referring to, exactly? That sort of amorphous claim means nothing. It's easy to accuse someone of hypocrisy when you simply make up what they want.
The Republican plan is freely available. Your little attempt at a challenge here is pathetic really. Go to the GOP website. The plan is there, and has been there for years. Turn off MSNBC sometime and go look at what conservatives actually want, not what liberal talking heads tell you that conservatives want.
The long leash is not fallacy. The pivotal statement in your rebuttal is 'any changes to existing policies '. Where that attempt at wonkery fails is that Insurance companies are indeed dumping policies that do conform to ACA regulations and steering those policy holders toward reapplying for market place policies where they are seeing dramatic premium increases. I have a very close association with someone who had such a policy, comprehensive (including medical, dental, and vision), beyond conforming, and that person received a notice of cancellation. Certainly there are non-conforming policies, but those are not the scenarios I am troubled by.
If he were a CEO in the private sector, he’d be prosecuted for such deception...
If you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan. Period.” How serious was this lie, repeated by Barack Obama with such beguiling regularity? Well, how would the Justice Department be dealing with it if it had been uttered by, say, the president of an insurance company rather than the president of the United States?
Fraud is a serious federal felony, usually punishable by up to 20 years’ imprisonment — with every repetition of a fraudulent communication chargeable as a separate crime. In computing sentences, federal sentencing guidelines factor in such considerations as the dollar value of the fraud, the number of victims, and the degree to which the offender’s treachery breaches any special fiduciary duties he owes. Cases of multi-million-dollar corporate frauds — to say nothing of multi-billion-dollar, Bernie Madoff–level scams that nevertheless pale beside Obamacare’s dimensions — often result in terms amounting to decades in the slammer.
Justice Department guidelines, set forth in the U.S. Attorneys Manual, recommend prosecution for fraud in situations involving “any scheme which in its nature is directed to defrauding a class of persons, or the general public, with a substantial pattern of conduct.” So, for example, if a schemer were intentionally to deceive all Americans, or a class of Americans (e.g., people who had health insurance purchased on the individual market), by repeating numerous times — over the airwaves, in mailings, and in electronic announcements — an assertion the schemer knew to be false and misleading, that would constitute an actionable fraud — particularly if the statements induced the victims to take action to their detriment, or lulled the victims into a false sense of security....
Obama is a fraud. He lied by blaming Bush for fast and furious - over 200 dead Mexicans...and 2 dead Americans. He used Executive Privilege to cover up the details. The Buck Never Stops with Obama.
We the people need to stop talking about Obama being a naughty boy and DO something about it. Talk is cheap .. action is needed.
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Obama’s Massive Fraud
