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Old 10-07-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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This is NOT healthcare, it's healthcare insurance. If Obamacare can't handle something as simple as a website how in the hell can they handle the rest.
We tried to tell the True Believers who worship at the Altar of Congress, that government is incompetent, incapable, inefficient, and incredible (has no crediblity).

I mean, seriously, THE PEOPLE who bright us the IRS, NSA, CIA, and a couple hundred thousand alphabet soup agencies have PROVEN how they run stuff. 200+ years of OUR history alone, plus all of recorded history shows that only tyranny and pain come from authoritarian governments.

But, that's ok, because they HAVE FAITH that "this time, it will be different".

You can't reason with people who have no reason, no mind, no integrity, and no capacity to think.

If you'd like to see what kind of people liberals are, google "why battered women stay with violent husbands". They stay with wanting more government, no matter WHAT the facts show.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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very true, both pay healthcare providers for those ten dollar band-aides and twenty dollar asprin. The reason providers charge that is because they are covering for the healthcare of the uninsured. The people who are paying for insurance are charged more for their premiums. That whole system is nothing but a scam. Taxpayers and those buying their own insurance have been covering for the uninsured for years and it is not sustainable. So i'm not really sure what the fuss about the ACA is. At least now the uninsured can actually pay some into a system instead of paying nothing for their medical needs going to the ER.
Actually neither government or insurance companies pay those rates. Medicare, by law, pays the true cost of service, which includes overhead and the boated salaries of non medical senior management. Insurance companies pay more.

It's the self pay, uninsured that are billed at each hospital's Charge master rate.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Then get together with your civilized friends, create a tax-free fund and PAY FOR IT. You don't need laws, politicians, or acrimony. Heck, I might even give you a buck now and then.
The problem with that is that those who don't contribute will benefit from those that do not. The ACA is not a free program for those that sign up. I want people that don't have insurance and that are currently using hospital ER's for their health care on my taxpayer dime to sign up for ACA insurance and start paying like I do. The way I see it, the ACA is forcing people to be more responsible for their healthcare. I know too many people that can afford to get insurance, but don't and use the ER like it's their person free healthcare. For those that don't like the ACA because it's the "government" mandating it, well so be it. If you can opt out individually and you have a wreck or accident, then that in my mind is just another person I'm paying for to get treated at a hospital.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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It's because you're not paying attention to the many, many conservative ideas.
During the 41 votes to repeal the ACA in part or in full, what specific conservative ideas were advanced as alternatives, please?
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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The problem with that is that those who don't contribute will benefit from those that do not.
What the bloody hell do you think all the subsidies and the "can't reject for pre-existing conditions" nonsense is for?

To make the paying cover the rest.

What on EARTH are you complaining about? You're demanding a system designed to do precisely what you're bitching at me about. It seems you want to gripe about freeloaders when it's YOUR money, and get all generous and naive when it's MINE.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:43 PM
 
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How about you answer my response, in context?

I know you can. I also know that any defense of what you want is indefensible. You simply cannot defend robbing others as a charitable act.
I am fundamentally opposed to the ACA, but my main complaint is not the taxes. I pay higher taxes so married people, people with kids, and people with million dollar homes can pay lower taxes. I would much rather spend tax money on Americans than wealthy military contractors and oversea operations though.

I know, I know, living in a country that works for citizens is a horrible thing.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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During the 41 votes to repeal the ACA in part or in full, what specific conservative ideas were advanced as alternatives, please?
Actually, in terms of legislation... there were literally scores of comprehensive programs introduced, either as substitutes for sections, or substitutes entirely.

Not one was considered by ANY democrat, nor was any debate ever allowed.

You, as Democrats, own this monster, and you should be shackled to it when it's drowned in the Mariana Trench.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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I am fundamentally opposed to the ACA, but my main complaint is not the taxes. I pay higher taxes so married people, people with kids, and people with million dollar homes can pay lower taxes. I would much rather spend tax money on Americans than wealthy military contractors and oversea operations though.

I know, I know, living in a country that works for citizens is a horrible thing.
Nice. But that doesn't in any way address my comments in context.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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I know, I know, living in a country that works for citizens is a horrible thing.
There is ONLY one purpose for any country to exist, which to defend the individual rights and freedoms from encroachment, or from compulsion by any group or majority or minority.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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What the bloody hell do you think all the subsidies and the "can't reject for pre-existing conditions" nonsense is for?

To make the paying cover the rest.

What on EARTH are you complaining about? You're demanding a system designed to do precisely what you're bitching at me about. It seems you want to gripe about freeloaders when it's YOUR money, and get all generous and naive when it's MINE.

So what are the uninsured paying currently when they have medical treatment.....Zero!
If they get on a subsidized plan at least they are paying some kind of monthly premium instead of the current nothing. I'm saying it's better going with the ACA than against it in my opinion, in terms of the alternative of even higher premiums and higher hospital tax district rates. That may not hold true for all people in the country, not all areas have special tax districts like that.
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