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Old 10-10-2013, 02:54 AM
 
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The socialist professor should read the following.

Exodus 30:11-15, which provided a "half a shekel" tax for everyone numbered. Verse 15 states: "The rich shall not give more and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel." In addition, the Biblical tithe is not applied progressively, rather it is applied equally to everyone ("And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's. It is holy to the Lord.…And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord." Lev. 27:30,32




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Old 10-10-2013, 03:58 AM
 
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Jesus is a made up character in a fictional book so he can be anything to anyone which is pretty much how religion operates.

As for the tithes, why would the creator of the universe need your money? It is pretty obvious this is a man made doctrine and little different to taxes imposed upon us by secular authorities. At least the secular one does not demand taxes below a certain threshold except for unavoidable taxes like GST or VAT.
 
Old 10-10-2013, 06:02 AM
 
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With Jesus's commands about helping the poor, taking care of the sick, and treating everyone nicely...that sounds pretty "socialist" compared to current conservative thinking. Of course, current conservatives think that anything where you treat another person with compassion is socialism now, instead of being a normal human being.

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"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
- Mathew 25:40
 
Old 10-10-2013, 06:06 AM
 
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Being someone who personally knows Jesus as their Lord and Savior and knows the holy spirit, I'm pretty sure Jesus would be a republican. Liberals - as usual - are ignorant to who he is and what he did and what he supported. And they always conveniently forget the fact that he is God.
 
Old 10-10-2013, 06:11 AM
 
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You do realize that Exodus was before Jesus. Right?
Also a tithe is not a tax. Tithes go to your church, taxes go to the government.

But here is what Jesus said on the topic of taxes.
Matthew 22:15-22
15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax[a] to Caesar or not?”

18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

21 “Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
 
Old 10-10-2013, 06:13 AM
 
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The socialist professor should read the following.

Exodus 30:11-15, which provided a "half a shekel" tax for everyone numbered. Verse 15 states: "The rich shall not give more and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel." In addition, the Biblical tithe is not applied progressively, rather it is applied equally to everyone ("And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's. It is holy to the Lord.…And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord." Lev. 27:30,32
I don't know why these people try to argue that Jesus was a socialist. It shows they have no understanding of scripture, or even Jesus' teachings. I think they do it in an "in your face" attmept to justify their own beliefs. But they are so far off base, it's ridiculous.

It always makes me laugh when unbelievers try to tell us what the Bible says.
 
Old 10-10-2013, 06:15 AM
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Jesus is a made up character in a fictional book so he can be anything to anyone which is pretty much how religion operates.

As for the tithes, why would the creator of the universe need your money? It is pretty obvious this is a man made doctrine and little different to taxes imposed upon us by secular authorities. At least the secular one does not demand taxes below a certain threshold except for unavoidable taxes like GST or VAT.

1. Jesus was not a politician (therefore not a socialist or anything else). The Apostles initially made the mistake of assuming that Christ was a political figure who was destined to deliver Israel. The "kingdom" is not on earth and Christians can expect no better economic status or existence from thier faith.

2. Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's. There is not a passage in the Bible in which Christ suggests "tithing", nor did Christ ask for money from anyone. There was no "church" (which was a creation of man) and the teachings of Christ were conducted "open air" to anyone who wanted to listen.

3. Our parish is half "rich" and half poor, Hispanic. What do the Hispanics give to the parish? Nothing- they cannot afford to do so. No one critcizes them for this at all, as they are simply not capable of supporting the church (salaries for priests, building costs, maintenance, food pantry....ect). There is not a "tithing rate" which every member gives; the church does not "demand" a dime from anyone, but simply suggests to capable members of the parish that they do what they can. There is not a financial "litmus test" to join the parish-anyone can and is welcome.

4. The Bible (particularly the New Testament) is full of wisdom, even for atheists. Many of the "famous quotes" from political leaders over time have come straight from the Bible. The parables of Christ are pretty instructive- I always take away an applicable and helpful piece of information from the mass. I always feel better after going to mass, so it is good for me personally, but probably not for others. That is okay- whatever works for you is fine.

5. Perhaps, given your agnostic stance, you should examine some of the statistical improbabilities in physics that lend credence to an "ordered" structure to the universe. This is pure mathematics and physics yet is rather eye opening. That is why I am somewhat amused that those who claim the "high ground" of science as rationale for atheism.
 
Old 10-10-2013, 06:19 AM
 
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Jesus is a made up character in a fictional book so he can be anything to anyone which is pretty much how religion operates.
Hahahahahahahaha! Okay, sure. I guess you don't believe in archaeology either.

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As for the tithes, why would the creator of the universe need your money?
He doesn't. Was that supposed to be a serious question? Are you that dumb?

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It is pretty obvious this is a man made doctrine and little different to taxes imposed upon us by secular authorities. At least the secular one does not demand taxes below a certain threshold except for unavoidable taxes like GST or VAT.
You can't be serious. Are you a "made up" person?
 
Old 10-10-2013, 06:21 AM
 
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Being someone who personally knows Jesus as their Lord and Savior and knows the holy spirit, I'm pretty sure Jesus would be a republican. Liberals - as usual - are ignorant to who he is and what he did and what he supported. And they always conveniently forget the fact that he is God.
Sweet Weeping Jesus. Rest assured that he would NOT have found himself around the fools that call themselves the 'tea party' and hate all of those they deem lesser humans.

I love how you think you know what political party JESUS would have belonged to!
 
Old 10-10-2013, 06:28 AM
 
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With Jesus's commands about helping the poor, taking care of the sick, and treating everyone nicely...that sounds pretty "socialist" compared to current conservative thinking. Of course, current conservatives think that anything where you treat another person with compassion is socialism now, instead of being a normal human being.



- Mathew 25:40
Don't equate charity with socialism. Jesus was talking about charity.

The quoted scripture says what we do for others, we do for God. But unbelievers wouldn't understand that.
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