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Old 10-11-2013, 03:32 PM
 
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Tennessee politicians are owned by ALEC and other big business/anti-worker lobby's. They are a RTW state.
Its a shame because union leadership would rather meddle from outside or urge the lemmings to strike and sacrifice another plant and jobs to make their point. Great if you are them with nothing to lose, not so great if your company lets you go due to union nonsense. It's an unfixable conundrum. Workers need allies in high places, but unions are too corrupt, antiquated and stupid to be that ally, circa 2013.
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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It's natural that the Germans like unions. They invented the guild system, the forerunner of unions, and it made Germany the technological and industrial leader in Europe for centuries.

High unionization, done the German way, was a major factor that kept Germany from falling apart in the Great Recession.

Unlike us, the Germans have a very clear picture of what works in their best self interest as a nation. Their example is something we should pay attention to, as Germany is only about 1/3 our size and they're doing much better than we are.
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:48 PM
 
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Even non-manufacturing businesses in Germany often have some sort of worker representation among senior management. It's not uncommon for a banking or financial corporation to have a couple of junior employees serving as representatives and spokesmen for the rank-and-file at senior executive level meetings.

Considering the efficiency and industriousness that Germans are known for, I doubt they'd do something like this if they didn't expect to derive some benefit from it.
I think you mistake what's wanted. German corporate structure is extremely top-down authoritarian. They want structure, not synergism or employee involvement.

Americans, by and large, prefer personal relationships between employer and employee, where each trusts the other, not engages in bureaucratic "systems".
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:50 PM
 
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It's natural that the Germans like unions. They invented the guild system, the forerunner of unions, and it made Germany the technological and industrial leader in Europe for centuries.

High unionization, done the German way, was a major factor that kept Germany from falling apart in the Great Recession.

Unlike us, the Germans have a very clear picture of what works in their best self interest as a nation. Their example is something we should pay attention to, as Germany is only about 1/3 our size and they're doing much better than we are.
Don't forget that their prosperity comes from being the "strong" point in a sea of weak players.

Germany, as a single player, without the EU to exploit for its benefit, would be a mess.
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:20 PM
 
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Don't forget that their prosperity comes from being the "strong" point in a sea of weak players.

Germany, as a single player, without the EU to exploit for its benefit, would be a mess.
Well that's nonsense. Germany competes on a world market just as China, Japan or the U.S. and even relative to those countries Germany's export market is second in the world with exports of $1.2 trillion dollars and fourth in the world in GDP (by the way Germany doesn't rely sale and manufacture of cheap consumer products). German manufacturing accounts for 29% of GDP and employs 29% of the total workforce. If anything, Germany's position is despite a weak EU economy not because of it.
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Don't forget that their prosperity comes from being the "strong" point in a sea of weak players.

Germany, as a single player, without the EU to exploit for its benefit, would be a mess.
The EU is there to exploit for all. If 'exploitation' is even the correct word to use.
It seems to me that Greece exploited the EU, and Germany did not.

Germany was doing fine before the EU was created, and it's now bearing most of the burden now in keeping the EU alive.
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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This is America - Germany can keep its socialist "works councils".

"Better dead than red".
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This is America - Germany can keep its socialist "works councils".

"Better dead than red".
So VW should close their American plants because you think a private company is a socialist company? That makes no sense Harrier.
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:29 PM
 
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The really funny part was the bit where it says the workers are opposed to joining the union. Guess when you have big guns and small brains, you fight against your own interests, especially when VW is basically ASKING for unionized workers. Maybe VW should set up shop in Pennsylvania instead
so you hate the south, and probably all blacks, and you think you know what is best for them. do you wonder why people hate liberals?
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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so you hate the south, and probably all blacks, and you think you know what is best for them. do you wonder why people hate liberals?
Which people are you referring to that hates liberals?
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