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So many things wrong with the system.....Osamacare will not touch any of the biggies.
If you have to have, say a surgery to set a displaced fracture. If the actual total costs to the provider are 3k, then throw in another 1k for the profit......4k, not too bad for a medium level surgery.
That is not reality for the most part. The cost to the hospital may be 3k, 1k for profit..........and then throw in 8K for WTF-CHARGES (cost shifting = gouging)........so now that surgery is 12k. And the patient is going to have a bear of a time pinning down where those sneaky BS charges came from.
It has nothing to do with healthcare. It is about control of your most basic needs.
One of the news stations had a guest on today promoting his new book about Lee Harvey Oswald who shot J. F. Kennedy. A very telling part of the interview was about his stay in Russia. They told about where he had stayed and it was mentioned that people's activities were controlled by threats of not giving a family member that operation that was badly needed. I feel sorry for those of you who are so ignorant of the tactics used by communist leaders to have everything their way. We are witnessing some of these tactics being used by Obama right now.
Please wake up and realize this man is dangerous to the freedom of all Americans. I support anyone in D. C. that is trying to keep this man from getting total control and Obamacare is the gateway to his doing this. Fight it with everything in your being.
And if you are one of those who would make fun of this post, go for it. I consider you a communist.
Our government would NEVER use the full force of government to punish those whom they disagree with!
(ahem......IRS....Tea Party)
The dopey left will applaud this without ever thinking that one day conservatives will be in power and they'll be "punished".
It appears that these hospitals will be a thing of the past due to ObamaCare. They apparently can't provide free care anymore under ObamaCare regulations
Please provide a link.
Before Obamacare kicked in, the Shriner's hospital started billing insurance and medicaid, if the pt. had it. Shriners changes billing policy
Note: their endowment dropped.
If you have to have, say a surgery to set a displaced fracture. If the actual total costs to the provider are 3k, then throw in another 1k for the profit......4k, not too bad for a medium level surgery.
That is not reality for the most part. The cost to the hospital may be 3k, 1k for profit..........and then throw in 8K for WTF-CHARGES (cost shifting = gouging)........so now that surgery is 12k. And the patient is going to have a bear of a time pinning down where those sneaky BS charges came from.
I recently had an outpatient surgical procedure done. Less than two hours plus recovery, then my wife drove me home. The total cost as related to me by my insurance company? $20K+ Add in the diagnostics leading up to the procedure and it's over $25K. My out-of-pocket? Under $300.
You haven't had a Free Market health care system since 1939.
Technically, you haven't had Free Market health care since 1933.
There is one and only one group responsible for the destruction of the Free Market health care system in the US, and that group is the American Hospital Association..
...the same group that wrote most of Obamacare.
You really need to educate yourself on the history of health care in America, and how it got to be as messed up as it is.
Oh ---- how could I forget --- you know those stupid anti-Free Market "Out-of-Network" clauses in your health care plan that punish you for exercising Freedom of Choice and using the doctor or medical facility by refusing to pay for the care provided or increasing your deductible or reducing the amount reimbursed?
That was created by the American Hospital Association....in 1939.
And just think....you let them write most of Obamacare. Is that rich or what?
Heck, you didn't just let the fox into the hen-house, you built an awesome penthouse suite for the fox to live in.
Educating...
Mircea
Oh God, here we go with the conspiracy theories again. Shut up already. Just shut up. You aren't as smart as you think you are.
Sure it does .. but the big question here is ... "Can they afford it once they gain access" .. the smart money says no, and that's exactly how the American Hospital Association likes it ... It's a win-win for both the insurance industry and the Government ...
People will pay the premiums, living under the false premise of being covered. Then one day the deductible decides to rears it's ugly head, and then folks drop the coverage after being unable to pay the deductible, thus allowing the Government to swoop in to collect the penalty/fine/tax or whatever ...
The insurance industry gets all of those premiums - the deductible protects them from having to pay out, and the Government gets the penalty money once the policy is dropped ...
Pretty slick deal I'll say .. this marriage between big insurance and the Government ... so good in fact, that the network television guys could put it all on TV.
The only question I have is ... "I wonder who's going to get the kick-backs for making this all possible?" .. a good guess would be the AHA Lobby
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But since the leftie claims of ER abuse is at the root of obamacare, I fully expect ER's to turn people away for non emergency situations.....because they now will have all the coverage that they need.
If a 27 year old shows up at the ER with a life threatening injury or illness, who hasn't bought a policy OR hasn't paid the "tax", they should be turned away.
I think so too. If everybody now is eligible too get insurance and people still refuse to buy it, they should not be treated, or be forced to pay full cost for treatment
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