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Old 11-19-2007, 12:30 PM
 
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Global warming will be awesome, especially for adventuresome deep-sea divers with the desire to search for all sorts of "recently submerged island treasures..."
It will also be good for those millions of people who wouldn't mind living way up north if it weren't always so damn cold in the winter!

What are humans to do though, when the next ice age comes around? Maybe we can then tax people for NOT emitting greenhouse gases. That will be the only way to save the planet...
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:33 PM
 
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I guess... you act like it's so easy for tens of millions of ridiculously impoverished people to simply "move north." The US won't even take in large numbers of refugees from the wars we start, why would countries take in ones from the "warms we start?"
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:00 PM
 
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Right. Lets not ask other countries to do anything. Lets fix the entire planet ourselves....

BTW, do you REALLY believe that passing a few treaties cutting back on CO2 is gonna change the planets temperature enough to make a difference? All the peat bogs thawing are releasing TONS of methane which is 13 times more potent of a greenhouse gas the CO2. The cattle industry is responsible for millions of tons of methane also. We can cut our emissions in half tomorrow as far as CO2 is concerned and we would still not be making any significant dent in greenhouse gas release. Going vegetarian and buying an H2 is actually better in preventing the greenhouse effect than driving a Prius and eating a pound of beef and drinking a gallon of milk per week. Do you hear anyone saying we have to do something about cows? Of course not, because its not really about saving the world.

Like I said, we'd be much better off trying to reduce actual pollutants, while continuing to pursue sound energy policies that will provide power for people worldwide.

Its pretty ironic that all those poor people would benefit a lot more from modernization than they would from GHG treaties. The restrictions on energy production will however, prevent 3rd world countries from acheiving their dreams of modernization, so they will continue to die in poverty of starvation and diseases while the AGW crowd "saves the world".
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:12 PM
 
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I love the shift from: "THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!!" to
"OK, there's global warming, BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT!!!!!! NOT IT! NOT IT!" to
"Ok, there's global warming, but IT AIN'T SO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

haha so true

And when the east coast is wiped out from the rising sea levels I think they will think its bad

And I disagree with that article that says warmer weather is healthier, most diseases and insects come in warmer weather places
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:14 PM
 
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And I disagree with that article that says warmer weather is healthier, most diseases and insects come in warmer weather places
You mean like malaria?
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:26 PM
 
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haha so true

most diseases and insects come in warmer weather places
Nice image. Thanks.
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:27 PM
 
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I guess... you act like it's so easy for tens of millions of ridiculously impoverished people to simply "move north." The US won't even take in large numbers of refugees from the wars we start, why would countries take in ones from the "warms we start?"
Hey. If you warm it, they will come.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:03 PM
 
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Right. Lets not ask other countries to do anything. Lets fix the entire planet ourselves....

BTW, do you REALLY believe that passing a few treaties cutting back on CO2 is gonna change the planets temperature enough to make a difference? All the peat bogs thawing are releasing TONS of methane which is 13 times more potent of a greenhouse gas the CO2. The cattle industry is responsible for millions of tons of methane also. We can cut our emissions in half tomorrow as far as CO2 is concerned and we would still not be making any significant dent in greenhouse gas release. Going vegetarian and buying an H2 is actually better in preventing the greenhouse effect than driving a Prius and eating a pound of beef and drinking a gallon of milk per week. Do you hear anyone saying we have to do something about cows? Of course not, because its not really about saving the world.

Like I said, we'd be much better off trying to reduce actual pollutants, while continuing to pursue sound energy policies that will provide power for people worldwide.

Its pretty ironic that all those poor people would benefit a lot more from modernization than they would from GHG treaties. The restrictions on energy production will however, prevent 3rd world countries from acheiving their dreams of modernization, so they will continue to die in poverty of starvation and diseases while the AGW crowd "saves the world".
Are we planning on restricting energy production in developing countries? I thought that the most-criticized part of the Kyoto Treaty was that it "didn't penalize the poor people enough, it's socialism dammit!" So which one is it? If we're going to go by your argument that energy use reduction WOULD indeed harm the economies of developing countries, and considering that those countries are most at risk from the various ills of global warming, what sense does it make NOT to help out developing countries whose populations contribute far fewer greenhouse gases per capita than we do, rather than subjecting them to the same restrictions? It's like somehow you anti-Kyoto types are able to take two apparently opposing stances (it'll kill the poor/it's global socialism to subsidize the poor at the expense of the wealthy) at once.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:09 PM
 
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Not sure I follow your point.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:13 PM
 
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My point is, is global warming

A. A left-wing Hugo Chavez socialist conspiracy to equalize the nations and bolster undeserving developing countries at the expense of the industrialized world, as Neil Boortz would claim

or

B. A heartless Darwinist scheme that will punish the poor countries and destroy their economies while the people in the rich countries sit back, drink lattes and congratulate each other for saving the world on the backs of the poor?

I don't see how it could be both.
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