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Old 10-20-2013, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Read some of these and then trace them back to their newspaper source and see for yourself if they are or are not real. Yes they are publish by the NRA (your gun-nut organization) probably because none of your liberal organizations will publish them. Do an internet search for yourself and find out. But that does not mean that they did not happen. People use firearms to protect themselves, plain and simple. And it does happen more frequently than you would like to believe.

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Old 10-20-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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Crime in general has been declining since 1993. It's been an across the board sort of thing that has nothing to do with guns. It might well have something to do with Roe v Wade.
That and birth control in general, and an aging population, plus longer prison sentences.
 
Old 10-20-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Seriously? You expect to hold off the government with your personal small arms arsenal? I'm trying not to laugh, but you all are making that very difficult.
However, that was the original intent of the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment: The Framers' Intentions
 
Old 10-20-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Waiting for a streetcar
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OK, give us your plan. In your utopia, who may own guns and who may not?
My plan is to follow the Constitution which provides an individual right to possess weapons appropriate to such traditionally legal purposes as personal defense within one's own home. Beyond that, governments are free to limit, control, and regulate trade in weapons as they see fit.

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BTW, do you drink alcohol? Drunk driving has killed far more people than guns.
No, gunshot wounds result in more than 30,000 deaths per year. Traffic fatalities are also more than 30,000 per year. That's from from ALL causes, alcohol-related and not. Currently, ALL traffic fatalities slightly exceed gunshot fatalities, but the number of traffic fatalities is declining and the number of gunshot fatalities is increasing. Gunshots are expected to take the lead at some point in the next year or two.

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Do you read pornography? Porno has been known to influence serial killers, such as Ted Bundy. Does that make you a serial killer?
Porno??? And how about tomatoes? Did Ted Bundy ever eat tomatoes? I've always been struck by the very high percentage of evil-doers (approaching 100% in my research!!!!) who have at some point eaten tomatoes. Furthermore, did anyone ever consume porn and then NOT turn into a serial killer? Which is another way of asking whether you know anything at all about the difference between correlation and causation?
 
Old 10-20-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Waiting for a streetcar
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Tell your logic to the familes of clerks killed who did not resist. In my city, several clerks and store managers have been killed in robberies over the years. None of them were known to have resisted the robbers. One manager is permanently paralyzed. A lot of good your no resistance advice does.
People who unfailingly wear seat belts are sometimes killed in automobile accidents. This is not an endorsement for the notion of deliberately not wearing a seatbelt.

Preferences for engaging in armed confrontaion with would-be robbers or intruders are a function of testosterone addiction. They are not associated in any way with good sense, self-preservation, or overall harm reduction.
 
Old 10-20-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Rural Michigan
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Preferences for engaging in armed confrontaion with would-be robbers or intruders are a function of testosterone addiction. They are not associated in any way with good sense, self-preservation, or overall harm reduction.
that must be why cops carry guns eh? no one can *possibly* ever defend themself with a gun, so cops carry weapons for the explicit purpose of shooting unarmed little old ladies & family pets?
 
Old 10-20-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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Some people live in such a sterilized, protected class that they don't realize how cruel other humans can be.
Some people choose to live as cavemen and rely on the dictates of their endocrine systems. Some then pretend that this gives them access to priveleged information. It's all just macho-macho preening and pretense.

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The thing is, not all robberies are just robberies and people don't want to admit the ugly truth of what else can happen. If a woman is by herself and gets robbed, does it stop at that. So she should not resist and be raped and beaten?
Wow! Why does the media hide the truth about this from us? The risks are known to virtually everyone. There are no steps to be taken that will guaranty not becoming a statistic of some sort or other. If there were, everyone would do those things, and all the numbers would go to zero. There are however some things you can do to INCREASE the odds of your becoming a statistic. Introducing guns and testosterone into already volatile situations is most definitely one of them.

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The reason why our country attained greatness isn't because of our current attitude of being PC and submissive, reason why we became great was because we did what was necessary to protect ourselves, our freedom and our way of life.
Gee, thank you Clark Kent. It's so reassuring to know that some are out there fighting a never-ending battle for truth, justice, and the American way. Of course the actual reason our country was able to attain greatness was its willingness and ability to exploit and enslave others. There's the foundations of your shining city on the hill.
 
Old 10-20-2013, 12:31 PM
 
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American Revolution, 1775-1783. The American colonists did just that in their war against Great Britain, the greatest military power in the world at the time.
Not so much for actual history, are you. Colonists got their butt kicked. The Continental Army got its butt kicked. Without the French, we have no hope. Never did have. That's why Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence -- a plea for the sort of support from the continent that a band of traitors would sorely need if their self-serving little rebellion were to have any chance of succeeding.

Beyond that of course, all the wars that are ever going to be fought on the turf of 1776 already have been. What did David Koresh's arms caches buy him? Who since has fared any better? To think that your personal arms are any sort of obstacle in the path of the government is simply farcical.
 
Old 10-20-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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My copy of the U. S. Constitution makes no mention of "appropriate to self-defense within your own home". Where did you get your copy of the Constitution that states that?
It's from Heller v DC. It was written by those whose interpretation of the Constitution we take as final. Your interpretation is something we take to be laughable.
 
Old 10-20-2013, 12:39 PM
 
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No, gunshot wounds result in more than 30,000 deaths per year.
let's keep it honest. here is the link to the most recent data compiled by the cdc for causes of death in the u.s.a.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf

have a look to see that of those 30k "gunshot wounds", 19 THOUSAND of them were suicides where the gun weilder shot themselves. there were 11,078 "Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms".

to put that number in perspective. the population of the united states at the time was 308,745,538... so the percentage of people killed by someone else with a gun was...

11,078 / 308,745,538 = .0000358807

that's 3 and a half hundred thousands. for every hundred thousand people in the U.S..... THREE are murdered by someone using a firearm.

for more perspective... other causes of death were...

26,009 = "Falls"
33,041 = "Accidental poisoning and exposure to noxious substances"
69,071 = "Diabetes"
83,494 = "Alzheimer’s disease"

so you are more than twice as likely to be murdered by gravity in america as by someone weilding a firearm.

but you would probably be on board to ban gravity if you thought it would make your *******ed heart bleed less.
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