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Originally Posted by aus10
And now we find a lot of us paying insurance premiums for services we neither need nor want.. .
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That is proof that you don't have Market health care.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
You will, along with everyone else that buys that insurance.... That is the way all insurance works. It spreads the cost to all of the subscribers,....
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That is called propaganda and disinformation, since it is factually incorrect.
When you choose to educate yourself and understand the Principles of Actuarial Science, then you will know.
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Originally Posted by aus10
Regarding being forced to purchase ACA insurance, let me ask you, how do feel about being forced to buy auto insurance in order to drive, or being forced to buy home owners insurance in order to obtain a mortgage?
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That is also called propaganda and disinformation, since it is factually incorrect.
First, only those who drive are required to obtain insurance? Wrong answer -- obtain
proof of financial responsibility.
No one is required to purchase insurance....you may purchase a surety bond in lieu of insurance.
Second, obtaining a mortgage is a personal choice. There is no "federal" law or State law that compels insurance to obtain a mortgage. That is a condition placed by the financial institution issuing the mortgage.
Finally, another reason you have engaged in the spread of propaganda and disinformation, is due to the fact that you lied by omission.....Home-owner's insurance and auto insurance are Free Market....Obamacare is not.
Prior to Obamacare, no one in America had Free Market insurance.
Americans have not had Free Market insurance since 1933.
The American Hospital Association appointed itself of God of Healthcare and took away your Freedom of Choice.....oh, you're a Canadian.....took away the Freedom of Choice of all Americans.
When I purchase auto insurance,
I decide what coverage I want, in what amounts, and with what deductibles.....not some freaking monopolistic Cartel like the American Hospital Association.
When I purchase home-owner's insurance,
I decide what coverage I want, in what amounts, and with what deductibles.....not some freaking monopolistic Cartel like the American Hospital Association.
When choosing home-owner's insurance,
I decide if I want $25,000 or $250,000 or $2.5 Million in personal liability coverage (in the event a guest is physically injured on the premises).
I decide....not the freaking American Hospital Association, and not the freaking government.
When choosing home-owner's insurance,
I decide if I want a rider to cover my above-ground, or in-ground swimming pool.....
and I am not forced to purchase coverage insuring a swimming pool that I do not have.
Christ-on-his-throne you people are worse than fanatical NAZI control freaks.
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Originally Posted by DurangoJoe
It's a sad reality that a country which loves to tout itself as "exceptional" is the only country on earth where illness or injury can drive you into bankruptcy and saddle you with debts that you will never be able to pay off no matter how long you live.
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Right...it would be better to live in Canada and die on a waiting list waiting for months and months and months for a procedure that Americans currently obtain in a matter of minutes or hours, or o
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
There are millions in the US with no healthcare, tell me....How many have you helped?
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That would be more propaganda and disinfomatoin.
Every American has health care.
Not every American has an health plan....and the deceitful US Census Bureau acknowledged that many Americans can afford to pay for an health plan, but choose not to do so.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
Do you care to explain how a society that treats all citizens equally when it comes to health care is in any way selfish?
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Read the following published by the Canadian Medical Association...
The risks of waiting for cardiac catheterization: a prospective study
However, only 37% of the procedures overall were completed within the requested waiting time.
Interpretation: Patients awaiting cardiac catheterization may experience major adverse events, such as death, myocardial infarction and congestive heart failure, which may be preventable. Our findings provide a benchmark by which to measure the effect of increased capacity and prioritization schemes that allow earlier access for patients at higher risk, such as those with aortic stenosis and reduced left ventricular function.
...and now answer this question....
If the health care in Canada costs less.....t
hen why does the Canadian government not have the financial resources to ensure those people are treated in a timely manner....within minutes or hours like Americans are......instead of letting them die?
Canada is stingy with its money.....Canada
refuses to spend the money for the true cost of health care, and would rather let Canadians die on a waiting list.
You cannot have it both ways.......if health care in Canada costs less than in the US, then no one in Canada should ever die on a waiting list.
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Originally Posted by lucknow
Healthcare and good access to it here is recognized as a universal human RIGHT in Canada.
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The risks of waiting for cardiac catheterization: a prospective study
However, only 37% of the procedures overall were completed within the requested waiting time.
Interpretation: Patients awaiting cardiac catheterization may experience major adverse events, such as death, myocardial infarction and congestive heart failure, which may be preventable. Our findings provide a benchmark by which to measure the effect of increased capacity and prioritization schemes that allow earlier access for patients at higher risk, such as those with aortic stenosis and reduced left ventricular function.
So....dying while on long waiting list for treatment is a universal human RIGHT in Canada?
I'd rather live in Somalia.
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Originally Posted by DaninEGF
I do believe it is morally right in a community perspective. In some things society needs should trump individual needs. For example....your local school district, fire dept, etc you pay taxes for a new school or to educate other kids that aren't your own.
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That is incorrect.
The issue is not Morality, rather the issue is Opportunity Costs.
You can spend the time and money to train yourself and other family members as EMTs or paramedics, and then purchase all of the medical equipment you need, including an ambulance to transport you to medical facilities during emergencies......
...or you can pay a tax, avoid wasting your time and money, and spend that time and money you didn't waste on other things that you enjoy more.
Which is more beneficial to you?
That is Opportunity Costs.
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
When did WHO become the arbiter of what is a right and what is not?
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Never, and it would have to be over my dead body.
Factually...
Mircea