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Old 10-22-2013, 10:06 AM
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I was a supporter of the Keystone pipeline. If it is true that the Koch brothers will see billions in profits, I change my mind. I would reject the pipeline.
I think you just put your foot in it
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:37 AM
 
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That's cute Libs who just found out who Koch was through agenda media! So special, anyway... Did you know that Koch paid more for Obama on the last part of the presidential elections than Romney. So much for rooting for your said "bought and paid for Tea Party" which is false anyway.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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It only cost them a few $100 Million... a trifle compared to the $100 BILLION they stand to make if the XL pipeline goes through:

Keystone XL Pipeline Could Yield $100 Billion For Koch Brothers

So somebody tell me again, what exactly do average working class Americans think they'll get out of opposing tax increases on the ultra-rich?
And George Soros never bought anything!
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:47 AM
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What I find disingenuous is that the grass root masses do not seem to understand that Koch is all about Libertarian values disguised in Republican clothing. The anti Obama rhetoric is just noise that plays well in some areas. Those cute geezers who wear tea bags dangling off their hats have no clue, the goal is to end SS and Medicare.
Those cute geezers would happily support the elimination of Social Security and Medicare as long as their checks and benefits keep flowing. Look at the way they shamelessly supported Paul Ryan and his plan to take SS/Medicare away from anyone that is younger than the average teabagger. The Tea Party only cares about the government spending that they don't personally benefit from, if the GOP indicated that they were going to trim a single penny from their monthly government checks or make them pay for their own mobility scooters, the teabaggers would turn on them instantly. The Tea Party is mostly comprised of hypocrites and frauds.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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But continued HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT is. Thank God for the Democratic agenda.
That would be the Republican agenda as quoted many times by them.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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That would be the Republican agenda as quoted many times by them.
Oh, explain how high taxes, high business costs, raising the cost of employment, and depriving the economy of over 1/4 of everything produced... Improves employment.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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One of the problems here is trying to figure out who on this site is paid to fill these pages with nonsence. Many seem to spend all day doing nothing put spreading lies and repeating the same lies over and over.

I suggest that you all need to get out and enjoy the fall colors and come back in a few days. Have a good day
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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Originally Posted by OpenD
I mean there would not even be a Tea Party without the Koch Brothers' huge investment in organizing and funding it.

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The bolded part above is 100% false.
It's been documented, beyond a doubt, by many sources. Here's just one account of how it went down:

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Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Billionaire Koch Brothers

A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene.

Far from a genuine grassroots uprising, this astroturf effort was curated by wealthy industrialists years in advance. Many of the anti-science operatives who defended cigarettes are currently deploying their tobacco-inspired playbook internationally to evade accountability for the fossil fuel industry's role in driving climate disruption.
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Finally, this report might serve as a wake-up call to some people in the Tea Party itself, who would find it a little disturbing that the "grassroots" movement they are so emotionally attached to, is in fact a pawn created by billionaires and large corporations with little interest in fighting for the rights of the common person, but instead using the common person to fight for their own unfettered profits.

Brendan DeMelle: Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Billionaire Koch Brothers

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Old 10-23-2013, 12:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by OpenD

So that's the only thing that matters to you? The normal operation of the entire country has been subverted by ultra-wealthy private interests, but you're willing to give them a pass for it if you can make a few bucks on the deal?

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Yes - that's how it works - assuming all things are legal.

Whether the Koch Brothers make money or not - swagger still has to feed and take care of himself and family (I assume) - along with the other employees of his company. That is his #1 responsibility - not whether or not the Koch Brothers make money.
No doubt, but there are other ways to feed one's family, ways that don't involve the massive environmental costs and dangers this project entails. The tar sands this proposed pipeline would carry, even if there are no disasters, generate far more toxic waste when processed than conventional oil production does, and increased air pollution is a given.

Feeding one's family for a short time now, at the expense of our grandchildren's futures, and of their grandchildren's futures, is not an honorable bargain. We really have to begin taking a longer range view of what kind of world we want to leave as our legacy. To do that, we'd have to give up being so selfish:

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Why We Don’t Care About Saving Our Grandchildren From Climate Change

A new study shows that human beings are too selfish to endure present pain to avert future climate change. That's why we need win-win solutions now

Study Shows That Human Beings Are Too Selfish to Fix Climate Change | TIME.com
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:20 AM
 
Location: 77441
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It only cost them a few $100 Million... a trifle compared to the $100 BILLION they stand to make if the XL pipeline goes through:

Keystone XL Pipeline Could Yield $100 Billion For Koch Brothers

So somebody tell me again, what exactly do average working class Americans think they'll get out of opposing tax increases on the ultra-rich?


do you know whos making billions off of transporting that same oil right now ?

or does it matter to a liberal wheen its a liberal making the billions ?
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