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Old 10-22-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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Do you agree with this for those who have witnessed black students attending predominately white schools?



Black Boys Have an Easier Time Fitting In at Suburban Schools Than Black Girls - Aboubacar Ndiaye - The Atlantic
I disagree. I was a Black boy in a predominantly White middle school as well as a predominantly White high school. I had some issues. I got bullied alot. At first, it was mainly White kids picking on me. Later on, especially in high school, it was both White kids picking on me and Black kids as well. I basically disagree to a certain extent that Black boys fit in better. In my experience, Black girls often fit in better. Perhaps it was where I lived. I lived in an county that was part of metro Atlanta,and technically a suburb, but the culture was far different. Confederate flags, trucks, NASCAR, that was a large part of the culture. Some Black males did fit in to a certain extent. If you were the star athlete or had that "attractiveness", you could fit in kind. However, if you were like me, a nerdy Black American kid, you might have more trouble.

I will mention this. My sister is 5 years younger than me. She went to middle school at a different time than me, so she got exposed to different stuff. When she went to middle school, there were more Black kids in the schools than when I went to school. She was made fun of specifically by other Black girls. And the persons who she fit in with best were mainly White girls who might have been considered "eccentric", and White girls of working class background. In my cases, it was White kids who picked on me in middle school, especially males, and later on Black kids. Between my sister and me, she was more social and did more. I participated in extracurricular activities. However, I wasn't as social as my sister. My sister had a boyfriend in high school(and current has another boyfriend, they've been together for about 2 years). She went to the prom in a group. She always went to her friend's houses. She even snuck out one night to do that. I have never had a girlfriend, I tended to be more solitary in many cases, I went to the prom alone.

Between my sister and me, she fit in better in high school than I ever did.

 
Old 10-22-2013, 01:42 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Cite?
Teaching for 27 years.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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and the point of this thread is what?
 
Old 10-22-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Do any of you teach, or have an affiliation with, any suburban schools, whether racially mixed or not? Just wondering with all the experts.

If you look at real stats, which I'm not going to bother pulling out since I just got done with a meeting looking at them, Black males in all school settings have a higher rate of suspension/expulsion and lower achievement than any other cohort. It doesn't matter what the racial mix of the school happens to be.

EDIT: I got distracted and hesitated in posting so I know a couple of you who posted can answer in the positive the question I posed.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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Do any of you teach, or have an affiliation with, any suburban schools, whether racially mixed or not? Just wondering with all the experts.

If you look at real stats, which I'm not going to bother pulling out since I just got done with a meeting looking at them, Black males in all school settings have a higher rate of suspension/expulsion and lower achievement than any other cohort. It doesn't matter what the racial mix of the school happens to be.

EDIT: I got distracted and hesitated in posting so I know a couple of you who posted can answer in the positive the question I posed.
But here is something to consider. I'm not here to discuss solely numbers. If you are going to discuss "HOW MUCH?", you must also discuss......

HOW?
WHERE?
WHY?

Approaching statistics like a "it is what it is" kind of way isn't going to solve problems. Getting to the roots of the issue gets you much closer.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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People of African descent really ought not be focusing on fitting in but rather making the grades.

Also, the term "minority" is used throughout the article. So who is the term really including?
 
Old 10-22-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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People of African descent really ought not be focusing on fitting in but rather making the grades.

Also, the term "minority" is used throughout the article. So who is the term really including?
I can't say I disagree with you. I went through some disturbing crap in middle school. One thing I regret is this. I let so many people get the best of me, and in a few cases, I let the main focus get away from me. I did graduate from high school with a good GPA and went on to college. However, this is what happened to me in middle school. I let the focus get away from me so much, that in the 2nd semester of the 6th grade, I went from the school geography bee champion to failing 5 classes in matter of 4 weeks. I played catch up and got my grades up, but that just shows how badly things can change just by getting out of focused, even for a moment.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 02:10 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Sports and the nature of male/male relationships versus the nature of female/female relationships. White females are also more likely to date black males than white males are to date black females, although that appears to be slowly changing.
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^^^Yep.

Plus let's face it, a number of suburban highschools will actively recruit good athletes....they aren't trying to draw in kids from the city because they are good at math or are excellent trombone players.
sadly, the above are true.
 
Old 10-22-2013, 02:12 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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People of African descent really ought not be focusing on fitting in but rather making the grades.
I dont think the thread ever claimed they are, it is just saying it is easier. You are reading far to much into this .
 
Old 10-22-2013, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I disagree. I was a Black boy in a predominantly White middle school as well as a predominantly White high school. I had some issues. I got bullied alot. At first, it was mainly White kids picking on me. Later on, especially in high school, it was both White kids picking on me and Black kids as well. I basically disagree to a certain extent that Black boys fit in better. In my experience, Black girls often fit in better. Perhaps it was where I lived. I lived in an county that was part of metro Atlanta,and technically a suburb, but the culture was far different. Confederate flags, trucks, NASCAR, that was a large part of the culture. Some Black males did fit in to a certain extent. If you were the star athlete or had that "attractiveness", you could fit in kind. However, if you were like me, a nerdy Black American kid, you might have more trouble.

I will mention this. My sister is 5 years younger than me. She went to middle school at a different time than me, so she got exposed to different stuff. When she went to middle school, there were more Black kids in the schools than when I went to school. She was made fun of specifically by other Black girls. And the persons who she fit in with best were mainly White girls who might have been considered "eccentric", and White girls of working class background. In my cases, it was White kids who picked on me in middle school, especially males, and later on Black kids. Between my sister and me, she was more social and did more. I participated in extracurricular activities. However, I wasn't as social as my sister. My sister had a boyfriend in high school(and current has another boyfriend, they've been together for about 2 years). She went to the prom in a group. She always went to her friend's houses. She even snuck out one night to do that. I have never had a girlfriend, I tended to be more solitary in many cases, I went to the prom alone.

Between my sister and me, she fit in better in high school than I ever did.
Were you effeminate in school? I went to a mostly White private school up to the 6th grade. I was an average athlete, didn't speak in urban lingo and was a top student. I was pretty popular had a great time looking back.
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