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Old 11-21-2007, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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A country was armed (Iraq) because they were fighting what was at the time the enemy of the U.S. (Iran).
The U.S. government did not want either side to win the Iraq-Iran war (1980-'88); that's why arms were supplied to Iraq. And it worked- neither side won.
Actually, Iraq was armed by the former USSR, not the US. The US armed Iran until Nov. 1979. The US never supplied Iraq with any weapons of any kind. During the Iran/Iraq war Reagan supplied both Iraq and Iran with military intelligence on each other's positions, and that is why neither side could gain any ground against the other.
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Old 11-21-2007, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Seems like along with the intel we facitated weapons purchases for Iraq and provided them with chemical and biological agents.

A review of thousands of declassified government documents and interviews with former policymakers shows that U.S. intelligence and logistical support played a crucial role in shoring up Iraqi defenses against the "human wave" attacks by suicidal Iranian troops. The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague.

According to a sworn court affidavit prepared by Teicher in 1995, the United States "actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third country arms sales to Iraq to make sure Iraq had the military weaponry required." Teicher said in the affidavit that former CIA director William Casey used a Chilean company, Cardoen, to supply Iraq with cluster bombs that could be used to disrupt the Iranian human wave attacks. Teicher refuses to discuss the affidavit.
Although U.S. arms manufacturers were not as deeply involved as German or British companies in selling weaponry to Iraq, the Reagan administration effectively turned a blind eye to the export of "dual use" items such as chemical precursors and steel tubes that can have military and civilian applications. According to several former officials, the State and Commerce departments promoted trade in such items as a way to boost U.S. exports and acquire political leverage over Hussein.

When United Nations weapons inspectors were allowed into Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War, they compiled long lists of chemicals, missile components, and computers from American suppliers, including such household names as Union Carbide and Honeywell, which were being used for military purposes.
A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee turned up dozens of biological agents shipped to Iraq during the mid-'80s under license from the Commerce Department, including various strains of anthrax, subsequently identified by the Pentagon as a key component of the Iraqi biological warfare program. The Commerce Department also approved the export of insecticides to Iraq, despite widespread suspicions that they were being used for chemical warfare.



washingtonpost.com: U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup

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Old 11-21-2007, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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And this was in a poll in 2004...imagine what it would be today. Yikes.

er-Great going President Bush

Historians vs. George W. Bush
Only 81%? Why not 100%? The 19% that said he was ok need to have their heads examined.
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Denver
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For the life of me I don't see what all the fuss is about.
What other nation has the compassion to elect a mentally
challenged person. Hang in there Georgie we love you
and your extra chromosomes.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:50 AM
 
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Glitch:
Your talking points are very astute...GWB's father was a weak failure in my mind as President...the son, just the opposite.

People fail to remember the main factor of the job: To Protect This Country...

The idiots can harp about Haliburton and Cheney and all the media hipe that infuriates them ...but the main issue is this: A new President was tested with 9/11. GWB put the rifle to the shoulder and felt a slight recoil as his actions took out 100's of thousands of potential enemys of this country.
Cut throats, criminals and religious fanatics who whould kill our children and smile as they did the deed.

When we fight them on this amerian soil, we will have a smaller number to contend with because of his presidency and what he did.

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Old 11-23-2007, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Have the other 19 % been asleep for the last few years ?
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:31 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Glitch:
Your talking points are very astute...GWB's father was a weak failure in my mind as President...the son, just the opposite.
You're right, the son is just the opposite, he is a very strong failure.

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People fail to remember the main factor of the job: To Protect This Country...
By that standard 9/11 proved him a miserable failure.

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The idiots can harp about Haliburton and Cheney and all the media hipe that infuriates them ...but the main issue is this: A new President was tested with 9/11. GWB put the rifle to the shoulder and felt a slight recoil as his actions took out 100's of thousands of potential enemys of this country.
Cut throats, criminals and religious fanatics who whould kill our children and smile as they did the deed.

When we fight them on this amerian soil, we will have a smaller number to contend with because of his presidency and what he did.

Actually, I think it's idiotic to pat him on the back for invading/occupying a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 when our forces could have been more effectively used in tracking down/destroying those actually responsible for the attacks. Here's a clue, although I know your hero Dubya has difficulty focusing on more than one thing, they do not conveniently reside in only one country.

And if you're so rah-rah about takiing out potential enemies of this country I guess you'd vote for nukimg Russia, China, Venezuela, et al? After all, they are potential enemies. What the hell, may as well add Canada to the list, ain't no tellin' what those crazy Canucks are up to

We've heard the "when we fight them on American soil" fear tactic before. Funny thing but the only Vietnamese I usually see in my neighborhood are delivering take-out from their very successful restaurant. We've still got the strongest military in the world, there's really no need to hide under the bed unless you're still looking for TailGunner Joe's 'Red Menace'.

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Old 11-23-2007, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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You're right, the son is just the opposite, he is a very strong failure.



By that standard 9/11 proved him a miserable failure.




Actually, I think it's idiotic to pat him on the back for invading/occupying a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 when our forces could have been more effectively used in tracking down/destroying those actually responsible for the attacks. Here's a clue, although I know your hero Dubya has difficulty focusing on more than one thing, they do not conveniently reside in only one country.

And if you're so rah-rah about takiing out potential enemies of this country I guess you'd vote for nukimg Russia, China, Venezuela, et al? After all, they are potential enemies. What the hell, may as well add Canada to the list, ain't no tellin' what those crazy Canucks are up to

We've heard the "when we fight them on American soil" fear tactic before. Funny thing but the only Vietnamese I usually see in my neighborhood are delivering take-out from their very successful restaurant. We've still got the strongest military in the world, there's really no need to hide under the bed unless you're still looking for TailGunner Joe's 'Red Menace'.

hey burdell, some mountain people are still afraid of socialized medicine here, because it is a Commie idea

Brainwashing has worked on these people, sadly.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Have the other 19 % been asleep for the last few years ?


The other 17 % (2% daily drop-off) are the Illuminati.

By next week the approval arate will be 5% maybe then Americans will wake up.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:43 PM
 
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George Bush will be remembered as the man who lost America.

1. 911 happened under his watch - don't you remember his dumb expression when he was told of the news.

2. He allowed the unabated invasion of the United States by millions of illegal immigrant invaders.
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