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Old 10-27-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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We still have millions of mfg jobs, and many service jobs pay well. McJobs pay McJob wages.
We obviously don't have anywhere near the manufacturing jobs that we use to have, and not everyone can get the same high paying service industry jobs.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:07 PM
 
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We are a service industry country now, we gave away our manufacturing jobs in the name of "free trade."
Government over taxation and over regulation drove jobs away.

The free market is more powerful and much smarter than government.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So knowing that, responsible people prepare.

I've lost jobs but I've developed skill sets which will always allow me to earn a living without missing a beat.

I have life insurance, car ins, homeowners ins, flood ins, health ins, sewage problem ins (inside the house and outside), I have a warranty on all cars, appliances and services.

Simply refrain from sex until you're ready.

What are people? Animals? Can't control their primal instincts?

That's YOUR responsibility, not someone elses.
No sex except for when making a baby? No thank you.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Government over taxation and over regulation drove jobs away.

The free market is more powerful and much smarter than government.
Nope, the Republicans fought hard for free trade, and talked many Democrats to support it, they even created NAFTA and talked Bill Clinton into signing it.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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Government over taxation and over regulation drove jobs away.

The free market is more powerful and much smarter than government
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If that were true, burger flippers would own homes.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:18 PM
 
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I keep seeing articles about fast food employees being "forced" to rely on public assistance. seriously? if you are like me, you have probably worked for right around minimum wage. if you are more like me, you've never relied on any welfare. why does liberal media blame the employer for the horrific choices of the employee?
They have to blame someone, anyone but themselves. They don't get that to blame is admitting they failed.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:10 PM
 
Location: NJ
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We obviously don't have anywhere near the manufacturing jobs that we use to have, and not everyone can get the same high paying service industry jobs.
Those unable to deserve higher wages can get multiple jobs. Those highway service centers have trouble filling overnight shifts, add that to a day job, no conflicts in schedule, and that still leaves enough time to rest in between.

Better yet, have kids only after one can afford both you and them.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Those unable to deserve higher wages can get multiple jobs. Those highway service centers have trouble filling overnight shifts, add that to a day job, no conflicts in schedule, and that still leaves enough time to rest in between.

Better yet, have kids only after one can afford both you and them.
That isn't always an option for people, and what about people that have kids when they can afford them, but then later come on hard times?
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:18 PM
 
Location: NJ
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That isn't always an option for people, and what about people that have kids when they can afford them, but then later come on hard times?
They can decrease their lifestyle, and/or work multiple jobs, get help from freinds and family, sell assets, etc.

Their needs do not affect their Fair Market Value.

If one flips burgers, burger flipping fair market rates already exist.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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They can decrease their lifestyle, and/or work multiple jobs, get help from freinds and family, sell assets, etc.

Their needs do not affect their Fair Market Value.

If one flips burgers, burger flipping fair market rates already exist.
And what if they do all those things, family and friends are not able to help out, cut back to the bare necessities, and work every hour they are awake (giving their children zero time of parenting), and none of that is enough to keep them afloat, then what?
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