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Old 10-28-2013, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Some folks ran two separate plans, one that was high co-pay and one that covered all catastrophic illnesses.

Best not to allow stooopid people to choose their own plans, some loser bureaucrat will just mandate what he thinks we should have.
And that is different from your employer making this decision how?

Was it somehow better because it "came with the job?"

See, this is what I am having a really hard time understanding.
For years and years and years, people would just sign up for whatever insurance their employer provided and probably didn't even think twice about it. Biggest decision people made was whether to take their own employer's insurance or take the spouse's.

If you wanted insurance, you checked the box, money came out of your check and voila you considered yourself covered.
And, it was all good just because.


Maybe people just aren't capable of making these decisions for themselves.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
And that is different from your employer making this decision how?

Was it somehow better because it "came with the job?"

See, this is what I am having a really hard time understanding.
For years and years and years, people would just sign up for whatever insurance their employer provided and probably didn't even think twice about it. Biggest decision people made was whether to take their own employer's insurance or take the spouse's.

If you wanted insurance, you checked the box, money came out of your check and voila you considered yourself covered.
And, it was all good just because.


Maybe people just aren't capable of making these decisions for themselves.
For one, if you don't like the health plan the employer is offering you can switch jobs.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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I wonder how many people were faked out by Obama and the Democrats...because I'm dealing with people like this every day. They thought they would fill out a form, be given a card and they could just start hitting up doctors. People are shocked that not only do they have to pay for healthcare, they're paying for everyone else's healthcare too. Like this gal, from the LA Times, who'd been paying $90 a month -

"Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don't qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined."

"It doesn't seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else," said Harris, who is three months pregnant. "This increase is simply not affordable."

LA Times

The LAT assures us that of course "The federal government picks up much of the tab", but where the hell do they think that money comes from.

They also explain where most of the pain is going to fall - "But middle-income consumers face an estimated 30% rate increase, on average, in California due to several factors tied to the healthcare law."

The middle class is being rolled again. Thanks Democrats. I hope you are enjoying your rate increase.

Ahhh.................... liberalism. With all of the best intentions and desire to benefit the average man, disaster seems to occur instead.

Liberalism is akin to a Three Stooges skit. The Stooges as well never meant any harm, but ineptitude and idiocy combine with arrogance to create mayhem.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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And that is different from your employer making this decision how?

Was it somehow better because it "came with the job?"

See, this is what I am having a really hard time understanding.
For years and years and years, people would just sign up for whatever insurance their employer provided and probably didn't even think twice about it. Biggest decision people made was whether to take their own employer's insurance or take the spouse's.

If you wanted insurance, you checked the box, money came out of your check and voila you considered yourself covered.
And, it was all good just because.


Maybe people just aren't capable of making these decisions for themselves.
Again, if you are dumb enough to pay for somethnig and not find out what is in your insurance plan....what is going to be any different now? Except that you have a min.

So, if they don't know what in it then, what make you think they will know whats in it now?
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Old 10-28-2013, 12:18 PM
 
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Can you link me to this Schedule A to receive free money?
Publication 936 (2012), Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
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Old 10-28-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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Default "What I have right now is what I am happy with and I just want to know why I can't keep what I have.

"Why do I have to be forced into something else?"

"This Morning" Report: Policy Cancellations, Premium Increases Add To Obamacare Frustration | RealClearPolitics

Poor baby. It just ain't fair, is it? I wonder if she voted for Obama? I wonder how many of you who voted for him honestly realized how bad Obama was going to shaft the middle class. I hope she remembers come 2014 which party screwed her.
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Old 10-28-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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I heard a young educated professional woman on the street in DC interviewed on NPR last week and she said she wasn't worried about it because Obama will fix it and she trusts Obama. I think if he told her it was time to drink the kool aid she would do it. It is almost cult like.
Those people are drones, they believe the Utopian promises made by Obama, and each time Obama breaks one of those promises, the drones willingly believe the next promise, and then the next and the next and the next... Like sheep being led to the slaughter.
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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The AMT cancels out a lot of deductions many "middle class" people who deduct home mortgage. How do u feel when u lose your personal exemptions and state income tax deductions?

"No deduction is allowed for state taxes or miscellaneous itemized deductions in computing AMT income."

Alternative Minimum Tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many middle class Americans get hit with the AMT. A brilliant tax devised by the Dems in the 60s to tax the super rich to make them pay. It comes back to hurt the middle class.
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:17 PM
 
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A deduction, isnt free money.. Its YOUR MONEY, that they ALLOW YOU TO KEEP..

Like I said, Show me where owning a home, takes money from SOMEONE ELSE, who does not own a home..

That was YOUR claim...

Try again..
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:19 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Married couples pay lower taxes than single people.
You need to work on either your chart reading skills or your math skills - start with the 25% rate.
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