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Old 10-28-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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I wonder how many people were faked out by Obama and the Democrats...because I'm dealing with people like this every day. They thought they would fill out a form, be given a card and they could just start hitting up doctors. People are shocked that not only do they have to pay for healthcare, they're paying for everyone else's healthcare too. Like this gal, from the LA Times, who'd been paying $90 a month -

"Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don't qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined."

"It doesn't seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else," said Harris, who is three months pregnant. "This increase is simply not affordable."

LA Times

The LAT assures us that of course "The federal government picks up much of the tab", but where the hell do they think that money comes from.

They also explain where most of the pain is going to fall - "But middle-income consumers face an estimated 30% rate increase, on average, in California due to several factors tied to the healthcare law."

The middle class is being rolled again. Thanks Democrats. I hope you are enjoying your rate increase.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:55 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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People get what they vote for.
Don't fall for a smooth-talker who Hollywood says you should vote for.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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People get what they vote for.
Don't fall for a smooth-talker who Hollywood says you should vote for.
I've learned a long time ago, if someone proclaims to have all the answers, they never have any...
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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A lot of people are losing their health care insurance plans because ObamaCare invalidates them, and their new plans are more expensive, with higher out of pocket deductibles.

The falsehoods are coming from president Choom's own lips

He spoke falsely about people being able to keep their health care plan of they like it. As soon as the ACA was passed it made many low cost plans invalid, he started handing out waivers to the lucky few.


Obama Supporter & Journalist Kirsten Power Loses Her Health Care Plan Due To Obamacare - YouTube

We have a senator submitting a bill using the president's own words. 'If You Like Your Health Plan, You Can Keep It Act'


He spoke falsely when he said the average family will save about $200 a month on their health care premiums



He spoke falsely about the Healthcare.gov web site, being easy to use


Obama hails opening of health insurance marketplace, admits some glitches - NBC Politics

He said the enrollment process will offer an array of insurance plans to select from, “the same way you shop for a plane ticket on Kayak or a TV on Amazon.†He added, “Most uninsured Americans will find that they can get covered for $100 or less.â€
I'm sure some won't like your fox news link...so here is a link to the Kaiser foundation that the let loves to use that shows the same:
Quote:




Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80
percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California
has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in
the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its
individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in
Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.
Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes - Kaiser Health News
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:31 AM
 
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People get what they vote for.
Don't fall for a smooth-talker who Hollywood says you should vote for.


Smooth talker. LMFAO. Smooth talkers don't need teleprompters to speak gracefully!



Teleprompter Hell: Obama Communication Disaster Compilation - YouTube
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I'm sure some won't like your fox news link...so here is a link to the Kaiser foundation that the let loves to use that shows the same:


Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes - Kaiser Health News
From that link:

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The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1. Most are ending policies sold after the law passed in March 2010. At least a few are cancelling plans sold to people with pre-existing medical conditions.

By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 “essential†benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers’ annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules.
Yes, insurance companies are cancelling policies that they can no longer sell because they don't meet the specifications of the ACA and replacing them with policies that DO meet those specifications - and the policies are comparatively priced.

What's the complaint again?
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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From that link:



Yes, insurance companies are cancelling policies that they can no longer sell because they don't meet the specifications of the ACA and replacing them with policies that DO meet those specifications - and the policies are comparatively priced.

What's the complaint again?
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Who said you can keep your policy?
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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I wonder how many people were faked out by Obama and the Democrats...because I'm dealing with people like this every day. They thought they would fill out a form, be given a card and they could just start hitting up doctors. People are shocked that not only do they have to pay for healthcare, they're paying for everyone else's healthcare too. Like this gal, from the LA Times, who'd been paying $90 a month -

"Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don't qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined."

"It doesn't seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else," said Harris, who is three months pregnant. "This increase is simply not affordable."

LA Times

The middle class is being rolled again. Thanks Democrats. I hope you are enjoying your rate increase.
The writer is an idiot. The couple in the story isn't paying for anyone's healthcare, except for old people. The insurance premiums went up because old and sick people can't be denied or charged more, no lifetime caps are allowed, and the high deductible plans aren't legal anymore. People making more than $400K had their taxes raised to provide subsidies and people making more than $200K had their medicare tax raised. The couple in this article only makes $80K.

Btw, the republican plan also banned excluding people with preexisting conditions and capped the amount insurers could charge.

Oh god, apparently the woman is 3 months pregnant too... It would be nice when people with low incomes stop having kids.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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From that link:

Yes, insurance companies are cancelling policies that they can no longer sell because they don't meet the specifications of the ACA and replacing them with policies that DO meet those specifications - and the policies are comparatively priced.

What's the complaint again?
Then why are the policies being CANCELLED and not simply changed to offer these newer standards?

Come on, you can say it... You cant be stupid enough to think that insurance companies would be cutting customers by the millions for no reason, are you?
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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only time will tell if this Is going to be a bad thing. the problem, if it is a horrible program, people would be already use to it. it is hard to change.
we would need another, first type of president, Example: first gay prez, first Chinese, first blind, first something in order to change it. because if it is just another white man, the people would not accept it. the first can always use the anti-gay, Chinese, etc... card in order to gain sympathy.
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