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Old 10-31-2013, 04:15 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Liberals support all sorts of regulations on abortion but demand they be based upon medical facts not myths or lies nor should regulations be simply to remove a woman's legal right to choose without any other valid reason.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:01 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Default govt-overreach

Vaginal probes legal in Wisconsin now, pushed through legislation by republican controlled house/assemble and a repug governor.


Busted: Republicans

If that isn't government overreach, I don't what the hell is.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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What exactly do you think many anti-abortion people are trying to do right now?
And keep getting smacked down by the courts.
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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Thread premise fail.


Mainstream liberals support reasonably regulated, legal and safe abortion.

They also support regulated, legal marijuana. And they support changing existing marriage REGULATIONS to include marriage for homosexuals. And they also support regulating tobacco and alcohol, while keeping it legal.


Got it? Good.


Not a single conservative has ever figured out how to punish a woman who gets an abortion in their dream world where abortion is illegal. Throw them in jail? Death penalty? Look to the Saudis on how to deal with this issue? Also never heard ANY reasoned solution on how to prevent people from simply visiting a neighboring state, country, or Indian reservation to obtain an abortion. Nope: Make it illegal and it will stop! Great logic, that. Worked well in the past, right?

Meanwhile little precious whose daddy can afford to fly her to Canada to abort her teenage pregnancy will get off scott-free.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:56 AM
 
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I'm glad what I said makes you guys mad, that means it's the truth. The truth is like a knife, it cuts down to the bone, and it stings those who don't want to accept it. Abortion is wrong, you know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it too.
You certainly do make a lot of assumptions about people.

I get mad because "pro-life" people have done pretty much zilch to take care of kids once they draw a breath. Forty years since Roe v. Wade and we still have thousands of kids in foster care begging to be adopted. Were the "pro-life" actually walking the walk and caring about life every child in America would be in a home where they are loved and cherished. Instead foster kids are aging out of the system and getting put out on to the street. (You've had 40 years to put together a system that would ensure that never happened. Apparently picketing PP is more important than a 15-year old without a family.)

Y'all need to look in the mirror and take a serious look at what you see. It's the reflection of someone who wants to tell women they must give birth...... but then, when she needs to use taxpayer-supported social programs to keep her child healthy, housed and educated, it's "F you lady. I'm tired of watching you use food stamps." (I'm firmly pro-life, BTW. I want every child in this country to do as well as he possibly can so I proudly support WIC, Head Start, the Dream Act..... The Dream Act! Let's educate all those kids who made it through the birth canal so we'll have an educated populace. Yay!)

I am SO un-impressed with what is REALLY in the hearts of the anti-choice.

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Old 10-31-2013, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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Liberals support all sorts of regulations on abortion but demand they be based upon medical facts not myths or lies nor should regulations be simply to remove a woman's legal right to choose without any other valid reason.
Not exactly true. Not only do liberals and conservatives fit on a spectrum that overlaps on issues such as abortion, but abortion is an emotional and social debate, not a science debate. Science has very little to do with abortion since personhood is a human construct, not a scientific one.

There are both good and bad arguments on both sides. There two best arguments in favour abortion are:
1) People will do it anyway (harm deduction argument)
2) You can't legislate morality

There are also weak arguments in favour of abortion:
1) Science is on our side
2) Tradition (personhood has always been bestowed at birth)

Likewise, the pro-life side has stronger and weaker arguments. Stronger:
1) The foetus is human, and thus should have rights.
2) Life begins at conception, and thus abortion should be murder.

Weak arguments:
1) Minorities and poor people get disproportionately more abortions
2) You can legislate morality
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Old 10-31-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Abortion is wrong, you know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it too.
So you get to dictate what is right and wrong now? That's what I'm drawing from your inference here. I think that's a bit of an overstatement, even for you.

Abortion, when it all comes down to it, is a WOMAN'S choice. It is HER body and HER conscious decision to get an abortion if she wants to no matter the circumstances.

You are free to express your opinion, but I am free to tell you how close minded and ignorant it is.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:33 PM
 
Location: The Bowery
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Because we don't need to be regulating human bodies besides it takes away from more important endeavors like building robots.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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And keep getting smacked down by the courts.
Not always--in fact, the courts might have sometimes helped anti-abortion people--for instance, remember who the U.S. SC supported in 2000? Remember which U.S. SC Justices Bush Jr. appointed?

Oh, and for the record, I have some online friends who are pretty knowledgeable in regards to the U.S. Constitution and/or Constitutional law who disagree with these courts' rulings.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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So you get to dictate what is right and wrong now? That's what I'm drawing from your inference here. I think that's a bit of an overstatement, even for you.

Abortion, when it all comes down to it, is a WOMAN'S choice. It is HER body and HER conscious decision to get an abortion if she wants to no matter the circumstances.

You are free to express your opinion, but I am free to tell you how close minded and ignorant it is.
The woman is not the only party involved in pregancy and abortion.
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