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Old 11-28-2007, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Denver
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I did not say Canada has it right - I was referring to their long waits

And yes, Active Duty Military have medical - But the others you mentioned do not have "social plans" - they may get private health insurance as part of their employment package
Why couldn't we aim for the same level of service as our Active Duty Military for all Americans?
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:14 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Who says Canada has it right? Why can't we be better than that?

Active Duty Military, Firemen, School Teachers, Police Officers all have social plans don't they?
What do you suggest should be done differently?

HOW would you guarantee prompt and efficient care?
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Denver
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What do you suggest should be done differently?

HOW would you guarantee prompt and efficient care?

I would use Active Duty Military as a Model.
Centralize the entire operation from staff to physicians as government employees.

However, I don't have all the answers, but I will say our system is driven strictly by money and not the health of the citizens.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:20 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I would use Active Duty Military as a Model.
Centralize the entire operation from staff to physicians as government employees.
Not sure how great military care actually is,I know that a lot of it is contracted out to private hospitals nowadays.

But anyway,you would make everyone involved in the medical profession gov't employees???

Would Doctors still make the same amount of money as they do now?

To add,you will discover that quite a few national health systems are also driven by money as well.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I would use Active Duty Military as a Model.
Centralize the entire operation from staff to physicians as government employees.

However, I don't have all the answers, but I will say our system is driven strictly by money and not the health of the citizens.
Here is a problem: When you say "centralize", you fail to account for the population of this country is not centralized - not at all
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Not sure how great military care actually is,I know that a lot of it is contracted out to private hospitals nowadays.

But anyway,you would make everyone involved in the medical profession gov't employees???

Would Doctors still make the same amount of money as they do now?
Active Duty Military medical, I am talking on base, Doctors are officers...staff are enlisted, works great IMO. Others may have bad experiences but it is all about your health not what procedures may avoid a lawsuit.

Do Doctors really need to make 250-300k+ a year? I don't think it makes the quality any better.

Why do Doctors become military officers? To help this country.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Here is a problem: When you say "centralize", you fail to account for the population of this country is not centralized - not at all
I gave you a Model, an example that I think we could strive for as a country.
Wouldn't it be nice to know every American is healthy and being taken care of? I think that should be our goal, 100% health, not 100% wealth.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:30 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Active Duty Military medical, I am talking on base, Doctors are officers...staff are enlisted, works great IMO. Others may have bad experiences but it is all about your health not what procedures may avoid a lawsuit.

Do Doctors really need to make 250-300k+ a year? I don't think it makes the quality any better.

Why do Doctors become military officers? To help this country.
I am doing the same.
We have a Naval Hospital here,quite a lot of the care is contracte out to the civilian hospital.Probably part of that whole shrinking the military budget some President did...

How would you make Doctors stay in a system that doesn't pay?
Why would someone go through all that schooling and expense to then not make enough money?

Well of the ones I knew it was so their education was paid for....but that could simply be a anecdotal thing.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Denver
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I am doing the same.
We have a Naval Hospital here,quite a lot of the care is contracte out to the civilian hospital.Probably part of that whole shrinking the military budget some President did...

How would you make Doctors stay in a system that doesn't pay?
Why would someone go through all that schooling and expense to then not make enough money?

Well of the ones I knew it was so their education was paid for....but that could simply be a anecdotal thing.
Education paid for, Student loans fulfilled.
Retirement handled.
Guaranteed vacation.
Helping the health of this country.

There are many good doctors making Officer pay right now in the Military that are living very nice lifestyles. (Driving a Porshe, house in a good area, not on the beach like some of the commercial doctors but..nice)

Listen it is just a model, but I believe America's health system is flawed by greed and mostly by our law system, which goes hand in hand with AMA's guidelines.

AMA is driven by defensive medicine and protecting Doctors from malpractice, that is a major flaw on top of the insurance companies greed.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Education paid for, Student loans fulfilled.
Retirement handled.
Guaranteed vacation.
Helping the health of this country.

There are many good doctors making Officer pay right now in the Military that are living very nice lifestyles.
Actually, they are officers because the military makes them so

What you might find interesting though, is how many make the military a carreer. It is a very small percentage. Many military physicans go into the military because their medical training / school was obtained through government programs (like ROTC). They make a 6 year committment to serve.

Most leave the military to go to private practice after that
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