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Old 11-22-2007, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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why shouldnt they, the rich are rich only rich because of the poor working slobs in this country

It is time the Rich contribute something to humanity rather then wars that make them tons of money
The "rich" provide your jobs and investments so you can buy your home

The "rich" are "rich" because of hard work
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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That hilarious.

Everything I've read when it comes to other counties heath care systems (such as Canada) is that people with life threatening situations are treated right away.

This "people dying while waiting on treatment" sounds like nothing but pure dittohead nonsense to me.
It's not. You can wait weeks or months to begin cancer treatment, weeks or months for major heart surgery, etc.

Sometimes they won't treat you at all. Before I left the UK I remember reading in the paper about a woman with pancreatic cancer who was refused a potentially life-lengthening anti-cancer drug. Reason? Too expensive. Sound familiar?
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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sheesh, and how many people die in the US, because they have no insurance and so don't go for check ups or see a doctor until it's so bad they can't ignore it. Maybe that is why the life expectancy in this country is lower than other industrialized nations.
I haven't seen anyone here deny that that happens in the USA. They're just pointing out that it also happens in some countries with nationalized healthcare, which is true. It happens in the UK.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Ahh,I think you have hit upon why some people LOVE the idea of a NHS...the 'rich' get to pay for it.
Everybody who works pays for it.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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And by the way, the population in the US is amongst the fattest in the world. And the diet is among the highest in processed foods, AND people get little exercise. The CDC says obesity has risen at an epidemic rate. Currently around 30 % are OBESE, not just overweight.
US tumbles down the world ratings list for life expectancy | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited
And the Brits are about as fat as we are. The NHS will probably be destroyed by the impending diabetes epidemic in the UK.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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I can't speak for all countries, but I can speak for Ireland. In Ireland, some people purchase supplemental private insurance in order to see a specialist within a week. Without the supplemental insurance, they may have to wait 3-4 weeks to see a specialist. Imagine that!
In the UK I had to wait months to see a specialist, not weeks. The shortest wait time I ever had for a specialist was four months. Unacceptable.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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BBC NEWS | Health | Why France is so good at cancer care
France heads WHO's league table of health systems -- Kmietowicz 320 (7251): 1687 -- BMJ
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
Earth Change TV - Controversial Study Finds France has World's Best Health - Care System
Quality of Life 2007 (http://www.internationalliving.com/internal_components/further_resources/quality_of_life - broken link)

No waiting lists, the very latest drugs and treatments available, highly qualified specialists, great preventative and palliative care, centres for recuperation and recovery and all this available to ALL including the poor and homeless.
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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BBC NEWS | Health | Why France is so good at cancer care
France heads WHO's league table of health systems -- Kmietowicz 320 (7251): 1687 -- BMJ
WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems
Earth Change TV - Controversial Study Finds France has World's Best Health - Care System
Quality of Life 2007 (http://www.internationalliving.com/internal_components/further_resources/quality_of_life - broken link)

No waiting lists, the very latest drugs and treatments available, highly qualified specialists, great preventative and palliative care, centres for recuperation and recovery and all this available to ALL including the poor and homeless.
France does have an outstanding healthcare system; it's also very expensive. I don't see us ever adopting it, unfortunately.

I'd love to see this country have free healthcare for all that's as good as what insured people can get now that doesn't bankrupt the country, but I don't hold out much hope.
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:17 AM
 
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The "rich" are "rich" because of hard work
Some. But when I went to college, I met quite a few kids with trust funds and other income deliveries from their parents which set them up for life. It was quite a shock, since I didn't come from that kind of background.
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:02 AM
 
Location: wrong planet
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I haven't seen anyone here deny that that happens in the USA. They're just pointing out that it also happens in some countries with nationalized healthcare, which is true. It happens in the UK.
We've gone around on this same topic before. No one said we have to adopt a system like the NHS, there are other models out there, that work better. Why always compare the mess we have here, with something that doesn't work too well either. Strive for something better. The NHS is just a convenient excuse for many, to not want to change anything at all.
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