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Originally Posted by bluesjuke
Tax payers will still pay in higher prices.
no, they wont. I am not sure why people keep perpetuating that argument. People argue now that higher wage jobs means better skilled workers and higher efficiency. Why is that argument not passed along to Wal Mart ?
Another parade of callous disregard for others. Y'all must be right-wingers.
While the idea doesn't have merit in a vacuum, there are elements of righteous truth underlying Maher's shtick, which right-wingers, afflicted by excessive avarice, assuredly deny: The problem is, in a nutshell, there are inadequate living wage jobs where Americans live, and that that's partially due to how many highly-profitable businesses exploit the ability to shift some of the legitimate costs of labor onto the American taxpayer by paying inadequate wages for their employees to live on.
Right-wingers afflicted by egoistic avarice often make the point that such jobs as Maher was referring to are meant to be teenagers' first jobs or provide a little fun-money for retirees. Fine. Then put your money where your mouth is and limit those jobs to those folks. Don't presume to claim that there are jobs to be had, for folks trying to pay their own way and support their family, if the jobs you're referring to are jobs that, out of the other side of your mouth, you're claiming aren't meant for folks trying to pay their own way and support their family.
Stop trying to hide the abject selfishness of the right-wing claptrap in intricate mazes of logical fallacy, circular reasoning, and evasion of civic responsibility. You want people working to earn what they need to pay their own way? Me too. Let's make that happen. Don't make excuses. Don't equivocate. Don't whine about the cost to the taxpayer to make those jobs happen. Suck it up. Part of being a mature, conscientious adult is caring about something other than one's own comfort and luxury, and acknowledging the obligations to society that stem from being a beneficiary therefrom.
The reality is that our economy is not quite so simple as right-wingers make it out to be. There are complexities that preclude the right-wing's deliberately simplistic view of how people - real, live, thinking, feeling, worthwhile (despite inanely self-centered right-wing claims to the contrary) human beings - should gain access to the ability to pay their own way. The gap is society's fault - comprehensively. And society's paramount economic responsibility is to bridge the gap. Without excuses. Without equivocations. Without whining.
It's amazing to me how many people think voting to give people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to force people to give away money to poor and suffering people is immoral, self-righteous, bullying laziness. People need to be fed, educated, medicated, clothed and sheltered. If we're compassionate, we'll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but none is forcing it done at gunpoint.
And the left has the nerve to say anyone that doesn't agree with them is selfish. The left has no problem taxing(stealing) anyone for anything to pay for their useless programs. And if anyone complains about this legalized theft they are the selfish ones. Classic. The left are the most selfish people I ever met. Close-minded too.
By the way buu, I'm not a right-winger. Just shows how ridiculous your claims are. You all want a world where everyone thinks like President Obama. lols.
Another parade of callous disregard for others. Y'all must be right-wingers.
While the idea doesn't have merit in a vacuum, there are elements of righteous truth underlying Maher's shtick, which right-wingers, afflicted by excessive avarice, assuredly deny: The problem is, in a nutshell, there are inadequate living wage jobs where Americans live, and that that's partially due to how many highly-profitable businesses exploit the ability to shift some of the legitimate costs of labor onto the American taxpayer by paying inadequate wages for their employees to live on.
This right here should go be example one of the dictionary definition of a circular argument.
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Right-wingers afflicted by egoistic avarice often make the point that such jobs as Maher was referring to are meant to be teenagers' first jobs or provide a little fun-money for retirees. Fine. Then put your money where your mouth is and limit those jobs to those folks. Don't presume to claim that there are jobs to be had, for folks trying to pay their own way and support their family, if the jobs you're referring to are jobs that, out of the other side of your mouth, you're claiming aren't meant for folks trying to pay their own way and support their family.
Think man, think. Quit reacting out of emotion. For the vast majority of our problems it is because of this. People react out of emotion as opposed to sitting back and thinking. Yes, there are not enough jobs. Yes, we have allowed them to go overseas. That is the problem, not minimum wage. You are asking to treat the symptoms as opposed to the disease.
This was one of Obama's campaign promises that I had hoped he would follow through on but like the rest of the areas I agreed with him on, he has dissapointed.
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Stop trying to hide the abject selfishness of the right-wing claptrap in intricate mazes of logical fallacy, circular reasoning, and evasion of civic responsibility. You want people working to earn what they need to pay their own way? Me too. Let's make that happen. Don't make excuses. Don't equivocate. Don't whine about the cost to the taxpayer to make those jobs happen. Suck it up. Part of being a mature, conscientious adult is caring about something other than one's own comfort and luxury, and acknowledging the obligations to society that stem from being a beneficiary therefrom.
Hint: Suck it up is not a solution.
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The reality is that our economy is not quite so simple as right-wingers make it out to be. There are complexities that preclude the right-wing's deliberately simplistic view of how people - real, live, thinking, feeling, worthwhile (despite inanely self-centered right-wing claims to the contrary) human beings - should gain access to the ability to pay their own way. The gap is society's fault - comprehensively. And society's paramount economic responsibility is to bridge the gap. Without excuses. Without equivocations. Without whining.
Do you realize that you didn't say anything here? Nothing but a vague rant.
no, they wont. I am not sure why people keep perpetuating that argument. People argue now that higher wage jobs means better skilled workers and higher efficiency. Why is that argument not passed along to Wal Mart ?
Because they have no need for better skilled workers. You don't hire engineers to stock shelves.
Bill just caused an "aha moment" for me. I've always been for a higher minimum wage. I'm also for the government helping people who need. But it is obviously very costly to tax payers. if we raise the minimum wage and companies like WalMart paid their employees a livable wage, their employees and millions of low wage workers wouldn't need our tax dollars for food stamps, healthcare, free school lunches, etc. Right now the American tax payer is picking up the slack. Bill Maher Takes On Minimum Wage: 'That Is Barely Enough To Gas Up The Car You're Living In' (VIDEO)
Read up on wage price spirals and tell me how much the increased minimum wage will buy in a few years. Then report back.
Because obviously raising wages works in a vacuum. Nothing else happens when that happens. Everyone from there on out lives happily every after just like every other time wages have been raised.
This is yet another demo of the fact that leftists are unable to anticipate the consequences of their thoughts and actions. It's some sort of mental disorder.
Here is something that should keep you awake at nights.... RB: H.6 Release--Money Stock and Debt Measures--August 14, 2013
Sept. 2013 M1 = 2,555.7; M2 = 10,769.9 (in billions) U.S. National Debt Clock
U.S. public debt : $ 17,085,191,235,527.27
The estimated population of the United States is 316,928,679
so each citizen's share of this debt is $53,908.63.
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M1 per capita = $8,063.95
M2 per capita = $33,982.09
Debt per capita = $53,908.63
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IF your paper wealth exceeds what is in circulation, your chance of extricating it is low.
Recalculating with respect to a work year of 2080 hours (full time).
M1 per capita = $8,063.95 computes to $3.87/hour
M2 per capita = $33,982.09 computes to $16.33/hour
Debt per capita = $53,908.63 computes to $25.91/hour
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In other words, there is not enough paper money in circulation to support paying high wages to everyone.
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If money really cured poverty, let us give everyone 22 billion billion quatloos, making them “Set for life,” with more than they can ever spend. What happens if no one bothers to go to work, labor, manufacture, transport, and trade? Civilization collapses.
Yes, there are not enough jobs. Yes, we have allowed them to go overseas. That is the problem, not minimum wage.
Right-wingers acknowledge this, yet they will fight to the proverbial death to defend those corporations and their actions, and become enraged if a tax on their overseas-made goods would be implemented, or any action to raise revenue from corporations that, in all likelihood, pay little in taxes.
As you stated, that is the problem. Why do RWs ignore it? Why do they say it's a problem, yet defend it?
Make up your minds for gods sake.
There is a question on the upcoming ballot in New Jersey asking if the minimum wage should go from $7.25 to $8.25. I will be voting "YES".
A few people on this thread have raised the issue of morality. Shouldn't employers feel a moral responsibility to pay their workers a living wage? Not at gunpoint...because it's the right thing to do?
Isn't it immorally exploitative when you are a major employer, like Wal-Mart, who comes into an area and competes against smaller businesses, often driving others out of business and further reducing the number of other options for service employment, then offers m
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