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As I stated in that earlier post, it's not a "normal" lifestyle.
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Originally Posted by alphamale
The male gay community DID cause the AIDS epidemic.
I tolerate them.
I can no longer be called intolerant.
Just to clarify: The AIDS epidemic arose in heterosexual sub-Saharan Africa where it continues today - oh, along with heterosexual black urban America (susceptibility ya know). Creepy gays with exotic tastes quckly brought it over here. Not the majority, just a few. The rest of the story is epidemiology, not sociology; no political science of any significance either.
Where I live, "tolerance" has to do with "out" vs "not out." Makes sense. Do heteros go around telling everybody what position they like to do sex in? Like, with every thing they say or do? NO. Out gays are just wanting everybody to know what they do "under the covers" and with who...as if we all care. That's my beef. And I think that's most people's beef.
Being an "out" gay is s-o-o-o 22-year old - particularly in the day when it meant you wouldn't get married to a girl and everybody eventually would figure it out... and you had that 6 to 8 week period of time when you felt like you had to "explain" what you knew would eventually not happen (no lady in arms) and hope that everybody would be cool to it. "Oh, please accept me! Please?" The vast majority of well-adjusted hobo adults quickly grew out of that "I want to please you" thing and went on to establish other identities because, after all, making a living and functioning in society was more important than a 10 second long orgasm ( and if you are lucky, a good backrub) somewhere in private.
Just to clarify: The AIDS epidemic arose in heterosexual sub-Saharan Africa where it continues today - oh, along with heterosexual black urban America (susceptibility ya know). Creepy gays with exotic tastes quckly brought it over here. Not the majority, just a few. The rest of the story is epidemiology, not sociology; no political science of any significance either.
Where I live, "tolerance" has to do with "out" vs "not out." Makes sense. Do heteros go around telling everybody what position they like to do sex in? Like, with every thing they say or do? NO. Out gays are just wanting everybody to know what they do "under the covers" and with who...as if we all care. That's my beef. And I think that's most people's beef.
Being an "out" gay is s-o-o-o 22-year old - particularly in the day when it meant you wouldn't get married to a girl and everybody eventually would figure it out... and you had that 6 to 8 week period of time when you felt like you had to "explain" what you knew would eventually not happen (no lady in arms) and hope that everybody would be cool to it. "Oh, please accept me! Please?" The vast majority of well-adjusted hobo adults quickly grew out of that "I want to please you" thing and went on to establish other identities because, after all, making a living and functioning in society was more important than a 10 second long orgasm ( and if you are lucky, a good backrub) somewhere in private.
Weird, the out gay men I know don't go around talking about all their sexual positions and sexual escapades. Though there was this obviously straight woman talking on the phone in the city last night about giving some guy a handjob.
just to clarify: The aids epidemic arose in heterosexual sub-saharan africa where it continues today - oh, along with heterosexual black urban america (susceptibility ya know). Creepy gays with exotic tastes quckly brought it over here. Not the majority, just a few. The rest of the story is epidemiology, not sociology; no political science of any significance either.
Where i live, "tolerance" has to do with "out" vs "not out." makes sense. Do heteros go around telling everybody what position they like to do sex in? Like, with every thing they say or do? No. Out gays are just wanting everybody to know what they do "under the covers" and with who...as if we all care. That's my beef. And i think that's most people's beef.
being an "out" gay is s-o-o-o 22-year old - particularly in the day when it meant you wouldn't get married to a girl and everybody eventually would figure it out... And you had that 6 to 8 week period of time when you felt like you had to "explain" what you knew would eventually not happen (no lady in arms) and hope that everybody would be cool to it. "oh, please accept me! Please?" the vast majority of well-adjusted hobo adults quickly grew out of that "i want to please you" thing and went on to establish other identities because, after all, making a living and functioning in society was more important than a 10 second long orgasm ( and if you are lucky, a good backrub) somewhere in private.
We shouldn't expect any more than tolerance from anyone. In a free civil society that is all we should require of a person - demanding others to embrace or support or like anything is not a very free way to live. People should not fear repercussions for expressing their beliefs, and if the worst someone says or does is say they 'tolerate' something, then I think that's pretty healthy. Having beliefs of course is different than acting on them in a way harms others, which is where regulations and enforcement come in...social shaming shouldn't be a way to discourage freedom of intellectual/emotional expression. Freedom of speech shouldn't be so narrowly defined as a technicality useful only in a courtroom but as a way of civic life.
As for what is or isn't abnormal...if something is not the norm it is abnormal. If there are insinuations and other charges attached to a statement of neutral statistical fact then that's another discussion altogether.
Being gay or, especially, practicing bisexual behavior was not always and everywhere seen as a negative social deviance to be mocked. Alexander the Great and his military followers and those living a warrior lifestyle in ancient Greece are the most well known who would find such thinking to be a little ***** and nothing more than one person's cultural preference.
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