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Old 12-31-2013, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Adults weren't raising families on $1.60/hour though.
You have to look at the complete picture here.

The situation was not the same in 1968.
A HS diploma got you a white collar job.

Mostly kids and housewives worked p/t min wage jobs.

You can't take an item from 1968 and apply it today.
It doesn't work like that.

When I got my first job at McDonald's the only adults were the 2 managers.
Same with the supermarket.
It was all kids after school and weekends and women during the day.

These days you'd be hard pressed to find any KIDS working these jobs.
And now they are all adults working those jobs, yet you want them to be paid "kid" prices.
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Old 12-31-2013, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And now they are all adults working those jobs, yet you want them to be paid "kid" prices.
Wouldn't "wages" be more appropriate than "prices"? Anyway, none of us have ever said we WANT people to make those wages.
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Old 12-31-2013, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Wouldn't "wages" be more appropriate than "prices"? Anyway, none of us have ever said we WANT people to make those wages.
No, you just want to wash your hands of it and pretend like it isn't anyone's responsibility to provide a federal minimum wage to help those working Americans at the bottom of the pay scale.
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Old 12-31-2013, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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No, you just want to wash your hands of it and pretend like it isn't anyone's responsibility to provide a federal minimum wage to help those working Americans at the bottom of the pay scale.
You're looking at it in a vacuum. Why are these people at the bottom of the pay scale at age 35?
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Old 12-31-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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No, you just want to wash your hands of it and pretend like it isn't anyone's responsibility to provide a federal minimum wage to help those working Americans at the bottom of the pay scale.
you do understand the CONSEQUENCE of continuing to raise the min wage

everytime you raise the min wage...costs go up

raising the min wage will raise the prices of nearly everything, and cost jobs
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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This is simple common sense lol

Last edited by aedubber; 12-31-2013 at 10:29 AM..
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:39 AM
 
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No, you just want to wash your hands of it and pretend like it isn't anyone's responsibility to provide a federal minimum wage to help those working Americans at the bottom of the pay scale.
Why isn't it those people's responsibility to make better life choices for themselves so that they're not in a position to begin with that involves trying to raise a family on minimum wage?

I was reading over another article on this ( SeaTac’s minimum wage workers might not get their raise after all ), and found this gem:

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"Everybody who works here has responsibilities. Kids, and everything," says Ronnie Castillo, a ramp worker for Delta General Services who's got two 16-year-old twins, a 13 year old and a 6-year-old son, with another baby on the way. "That's why people almost live in the airport, don't sleep…"

"I don't even care for the 15. I'd take like a dollar, two dollars more," moans Ian Yocum, 21, who's also got two young kids. Taking a smoking break on the other side of the baggage claim area from Aukusitino, the guys dream aloud about buying better gear for working outside during the winter, or just paying bills without worrying if their paychecks will stretch to the next one, when they become fatter come January 1. And then, of course, there's the psychological effect.

"If they gave us $15, we would give more, push ourselves more," Castillo says. "We've been doing it for nine dollars an hour just to survive."
Why the heck is that guy making MORE children when he already has 4 kids that he apparently is struggling to support? Why are these guys blowing a ton of coin on smoking if they don't make enough to live on?

THAT'S the real problem here - lack of personal responsibility and accountability. It's always someone else's fault that these people are losers.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And now they are all adults working those jobs, yet you want them to be paid "kid" prices.
These are entry level jobs not requiring any skill or experience.
Sorry they don't have what it takes to move beyond that.
But that's their problem, not mine.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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Actually I believe there were two tracks - $1.15 and $1.60. State minimum wages were lower, yes, but federal law trumps state law. Some states today have a minimum wage below $7.25 per hour, yet the federal requirement applies in the vast majority of cases.
I know, but that is why I translated the $1.15/hr to today's wage of $7.70/hr.

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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Adults weren't raising families on $1.60/hour though.
You have to look at the complete picture here.

The situation was not the same in 1968.
A HS diploma got you a white collar job.

Mostly kids and housewives worked p/t min wage jobs.

You can't take an item from 1968 and apply it today.
It doesn't work like that.

When I got my first job at McDonald's the only adults were the 2 managers.
Same with the supermarket.
It was all kids after school and weekends and women during the day.

These days you'd be hard pressed to find any KIDS working these jobs.
So lets figure out why people are lazy enough to not educate themselves to the point where they deserve a better paying job instead of artificially inflating their wage for the same work. Does any of the fault lie in the arms of the worker for not proving he/she is worth more money? I think it does. You obviously don't feel that way.

A person is only worth what they can prove they deserve.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No, you just want to wash your hands of it and pretend like it isn't anyone's responsibility to provide a federal minimum wage to help those working Americans at the bottom of the pay scale.
We have a federal minimum wage already.
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